On the contrary, this new patch is getting me to resub my accts again. I needs more ep! Playing right into their hands, Im sure. Well played, Avatar Creations. Well played....

If anything its just a buff to yellow bots, that was probly deserving anyway. But it may go too far in some spots.

I'm not really against this patch so far, tbh. Things have needed a shake up for awhile... A few bumps in the road to get over yet, but shouldn't be a big deal. See you in a few days, or never. Who knows.... o/

If someone wants to mine everyday for 2 years with 5 accounts and not sell any of his ore. Seems very difficult to stop him from doing so. With mechancis or otherwise.

All this system does is allow you (CIR and Co), to play the game even less, and only log in to perp for a siege. Bring more people, play less. Still own everything. Just not seeing the benefits....

Removal of the internal corp market bothers me a bit. Then you force people to just trade internally with corp members instead of using the market. Seems like it will just make buying/selling in corp more tedious, but not really solve the main issue...

I still think this idea would be good in some form or fashion. If you can somehow make MPC stuff available to newer corps without the risk associated with traditional gammas. I think that in itself is a huge PVE update for the game. Giving the newer corps/players an opportunity to play with the content that has been worked on for SO long, seems like a great way to spice up PVE without taking an inordinate amount of developer time....

I am becoming more and more amused with Stranger Danger telling everyone how they need to play the game... Where have I heard that before?...

Except for the colony building, terraforming, colixium mining, etc. Yea exactly like that....

So production characters with maxxed skills and maxed relation can get within 4% of the gamma production ability on alpha. And a brand new player can produce about the same on gamma that a maxxed acct can on alpha.

The problem with that, is how many people have completely maxxed out production characters? Answer: almost no one except for a very few vets.

To have to buy an account and wait 18 months to have a maxxed out producer sucks balls. Noone wants to do that. That's why the gamma bonus was so huge. Even a PVPer could spend a few thousand ep and be more than capable of producing his own stuff.

Of course, that all being said. There is still room on the market to make NIC without great production skills. But it is a lot more work to do so...

Personally, I consider the Gamma patch to be fairly decent endgame PVE/PVP content, tbh. I know many, who have had a lot of fun terraforming/building gamma bases, including those who have no interest in PVP. I think it brings a lot to the table. I myself had a lot of fun spending countless hours terraforming for defence or offence, building, destroying, deconstructing gamma bases.

That being said, as endgame content, the cost of having fun on gamma can be rather high. Making it hard for newer players/corporations to experience it, until much later in their perpetuum lives. While this is not necessarily a bad thing. For gamma to really shine I think it will need a fairly large population to really see its potential. I can't imagine the day when Gamma islands are all actively owned and lived on... Would be an awesome sight.

All this really leads me to is, at this point. Its really not about what the old bitter vets would like to see. The game population needs to continue to grow, and as such I think 2 things need to be addressed. Beginning and middle PVE content, and the viability of small scale pvp.

We need new PVE content to keep the early players hanging around, and we need viable small scale pvp to keep the new corporations and PVP players hooked. While I prefer the small unit battles to the larger ones, I realize the need to have a healthy mix of both. But I can tell you for sure, that if you cant find enjoyable PVP to do with 5 friends, you will never even get a chance to try it with 50.

As an encouraging note, with the upcoming PVE redo, things should be getting better. On the PVP side, some changes are being made to help this I think already. With hopefully more to come...

And I too don't particularly care for people choosing to hide behind forum alts either....

If you are in a squad, and someone else in the squad accepts and completes a squad mission. Then everyone in the squad gets a share of the nic and relation for completing. regardless of what island you are on etc. That is most likely what your are seeing.

A place to spark to and store you sap loot has intrinsic value.