1 (edited by Supremacy 2014-11-06 16:42:05)

Topic: EP REFUND ALERT, EP REFUND ALERT

LEVEL 10 SKILLS that cost just as much as the skills cost from Level 1-9 are GREATLY devalued now and DEV ZOOM is not going to let people have a 2nd chance at certain EP decisions despite the fact that there are MASSIVE changes coming.

+ new high level skills to dump EP in to

its a smash and grab,





Massive massive changes to skills coming in a few days.


DO NOT let devs screw us on ability to drastically readjust EP.


They want to screw us.


Dont let them do it.


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Re: EP REFUND ALERT, EP REFUND ALERT

Details? tongue

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Burial wrote:

Details? tongue


http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/post/114994/#p114994

4 (edited by Burial 2014-11-06 04:53:49)

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Would've also been nice to get rid of the dual-pathways every new player faces when having to pick Basic or Advanced robot types, but nonetheless it's a solid update. Makes cheaper bots that newbies often use stronger AND nerfs Troiars and Castels.

++ Good work devs, interested to see how it pans out. smile

5 (edited by Supremacy 2014-11-06 16:42:37)

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meh

6 (edited by Burial 2014-11-06 04:52:48)

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0 reason for a free EP reset/refund. Nothing's been nerfed to oblivion or completely removed.

7 (edited by Tase 2014-11-06 07:30:30)

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They're adding 3 skills, I don't see that as massive, in terms of EP.

Explain your reasoning ?

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He tends to get a little excitable.

9 (edited by Inda 2014-11-06 09:29:42)

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these skills btw EP sinks

I just would need ~ 100 000 EP to max the new skills out ! (If I right.) (Probably to force people to buy EP boosters. that is not really generous in an existed game mechanics.)

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Re: EP REFUND ALERT, EP REFUND ALERT

1. wrong forum section,
2. those extensions are EXTRAS. you need one level into them to be able to drive your bots. just for logical reasons, except the hi-tech specialist, you will get that one level for free at character creation.

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Sounds like one of those cunning plans where Hunny Coyote thinks he's very smart until it blows up in his face for the Nth time. lol

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I'm cool with the changes, ofcourse I have 100k EP laying around.

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Instead of being a rage filled idiot like gunner or posting little one liners trying and failing to look smart like syndic you could give feedback and post about what you like and don't like. That's the point of a test server after all.

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A direct 20% Nerf to everything.

Mining, harvesting, damage, ewar.

The only concern I have is the ECCM module didn't change so if you reduced EW by 20% than like wise reduction should be considered to the ECCM.

And Assault bots, my God...

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15 (edited by Supremacy 2014-11-06 16:42:54)

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******


ITS A SMASH AND GRAB - for people to alter their EP with game credits you have to pay for -----  pure and simple


massive changes across the board that give much less value to level 10 skills, generally, but you suggest people shouldnt have the opportunity to pull EP out of those now as they are ***.


***&*


Burial wrote:

0 reason for a free EP reset/refund. Nothing's been nerfed to oblivion or completely removed.

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Jita wrote:

Instead of being a rage filled idiot like gunner or posting little one liners trying and failing to look smart like syndic you could give feedback and post about what you like and don't like. That's the point of a test server after all.

lol seriously



I only write the truth here.  You know it and i know it.

DEVS are not going to let anyone have a chance to "rethink" EP allocation

They never do

because they dont care

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I'm bending over now in anticipation of getting screwed on EP again and again

im ready, Dev Zoom, insert patch

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Exactly which change forces you to completely rethink your EP distribution?

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Don't feed the trolls. He's an idiot being idiotic.

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Rattle that cup all you want, won't be getting any change from us. big_smile

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21 (edited by Ville 2014-11-06 17:19:27)

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DEV Zoom wrote:

Exactly which change forces you to completely rethink your EP distribution?

Hello DEV Zoom,

I wish to point out that with this change to Robot bonus, highly specialized builds will become obsolete.  We, the partnership of equals, Min and Max, a lot of changes that would take place based on these robots.  We request that players who based and spent EP into these "special fits" be allowed to downgrade their extensions so we do not have EP spent in wasted areas that we feel will not be used in further game play.

We know this is the test server and not the real server.  We understand these things are subject to change.  I wish you would ADD more specific roles to things, not take away other things.  Regardless, your the developer, what ever you choice is your choice and I, as a player, will then spend RL cash to downgrade skills to get out of the fore mentioned robots.  Thank you for your time.

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Honestly, I am ok with the changes.  BUT there is one thing I want you to consider when making this change.

Change ECCM to reflect a 20% reduction in EW strength the Ewar bots got.  (Or buff the tuning a smidge), if not ECCM just got buffed, big time.

Same thing with EnWar.

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Ville wrote:

I wish you would ADD more specific roles to things, not take away other things.

I want to agree with this here.

When Gamma was rebooted you brought a bunch of players together to talk about what should be changed and added and got a much improved system off the back of it. A rebalance is an opportunity to add new content. Perhaps do the same here?

I would suggest making proto bots the same stats as mk2 are currently. They are by far the hardest and most expensive to build and it fits with the mods meta with t4 proto being the best in the game. I would then rebrand mk2 as specialised versions of mk1 with for instance a facet of a bot type given a specific bonus that makes it really good at one role.

Example might be:

Gropho: 20% increase to rof

Mesmer: 20% increase to range

Seth: 20% increase to resists


Kain: 20% increase to speed

Tyrannos: 20% increase to neutralising

Artemis: 20% increase to range


Zenith: 20% increase to demob range

Ictus: 20% increase to shield absorption

Vaga: 20% increase to ewar range


Riveler: 20% increase to remote repair amount

Symbiont: 20% increase to remote energy transfer

Etc etc but you get the idea.

For some roles using a proto with an extra head and low would be better. For others the mk2. This would give us a new tier of robots and I think bring a lot of players back to the game. It would also give industrialists something to do as protos get made and lost.

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doesn't this thread need to be in test forum?

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Does it really matter?  Besides shouldn't you be worried about getting kicked from -ND- because some vet thinks your a spy and your CEO caves to it?

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