The problem for me, is that with T3 facilities on gamma I wouldn't invest in material eff at all.  I just want the EP back because the skills are almost usless under Indy 2.0  and gamma.  The difference between maxed out eff skills and no skills with a T3 factory is something like 5%.

I was thinking of something along the longs of a team based mission, akin to a raid in other games, where a small team of Players has to take out a small or large NPC gamma base.  Not destroying the entire thing, but something like, taking out a reactor, or a command relay.

The problem is this:  I want to do large scale mass production, so I need large scale mining to maintain my production requirements.  So long as I can only do large scale production with multiple accounts, I will always use multiple accounts.  The amount of materials needed for large scale production are not attainable or feasible with 1 miner.

Second problem.  The amount of EP required to be either a miner or producer is exceedingly high.  The solution?  Use multiple accounts.  5 accounts = 5 x EP growth.  I am sorry to tell you this, but from the ground up, this game was designed for players to have multiple accounts.  You might have done it accidentally, but none the less, your systems are designed to have multiple accounts run by a single user.

From a business standpoint, why the hell do you even care?  If a user wants to give you 50$ a month instead of $10 why in Zombie Jesus's name would you want to change that?

this article was posted on PCGamer a few days ago,  its about how EVE's server is run on  a classified military Supercomputer.  They were one of, if not the first, commercial company to get access to it.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online/

Anyone care to throw down some money so AC can get a supercomputer?  Personally, I would rather have the supercomputer than the mission patch,  but that's just me

I beg to differ, during the first 5-6 months of STC's existence I was one of 3 producers.  I supplied the Entire corp with bots.  The other 2 producers supplied mods.  When we first started we were one of the largest active corps in the game.  I mined all the mats, and so did the other producers.  We also had *** mat efficiency skills too.  Mining/Production is one of the last remaining areas where you can work as hard/little as you want and are directly rewarded by the amount of work you put in (with no random chance effects, such as drop rates, hit rates, % chance of getting decent stuff in artifacts, etc, etc).  solo miner/producers can succeed in this arena, you just need to skill for it.

You are correct in the fact that real world economics don't always apply to a system with infinite resources.  BUT supply and demand, market equilibrium, resource availability, time, and other factors do apply to this system and these factors will always play a roll.  These factors also drive market prices.  I agree with Tux, the market is where the competition should be.  When you rely on a computer system to provide artificial competition it always comes down to the algorithm and how best to "game the system".  When its player driven it then becomes survival of the cleverest. 

Yes people will buy titan.  I personally can't stand mining titan, so I usually buy it in large quantities(there are others who do the same).  If PVP gets going again, there will be even more demand for materials.  This games problems stem from not enough people.   Most people would be surprised how many "problems" disappeared over night with a decent population.

Edit:  I alpha mine all the time.  its where i get all of my HDT and liqui.

I just meant that if I am going to have to go ninja mine in hostile territory on a regular basis I want a HUGE hauler that can be tanked to high hell.  I don't want some lone assbot to roll in and be able to kill a massive hauler, like the way they can with scarabs.  Yes, yes, these mining operations will be defended, but if a lone wolf goes for the scarab and is willing to lose his bot, he/she will most likely get the kill before the defensive forces can kill the assbot or whatever bot he/she uses.

i'm not demanding a new hauler, i'm just saying that if mining in hostile territory becomes the norm, the bots and equipment we have now are not sufficient.

edit:  and a bigger hauler != more yield.  it means you can haul faster, which has nothing to do with yeild.  if you can mine 5000U of epri in a day, making a 5000U hauler doesn't mean you can mine more epri, it just means you only need to make 1 trip to haul your can when finished.

I agree with you Goffer about the mining towers, but the market is already broken.....

its not that they can't do it now, its that they are a very small indie team, and have a tonne on their plate already with research/mission overhaul plus steam launch.

no see, the point you are not understanding, is that STC DIDN"T HAVE THE COMBAT SUPPORT TO FIGHT OFF 30 VET PLAYERS, AND NEITHER WILL NEWB CORPS.  I capsed the exceptional stupidity of the above statement.

the above mentality also contributes to the 2 power block system, by forcing new players to either join a major power block, or to become allied with a major power block for protection.  we are veteran players can not have our cake and eat it too.  this game is extremely unfriendly to new players.  we as vets need to make concessions to make it easier for new player to become competitive.

speaking of EULA's,  how long has it been since your last ban?  you might actually make it a month this time.

I agree with Deathpaws core idea of encouraging PVP.  The only thing needed to encourage more PVP, is making the Beta's important.  Epri needs to be made beta only again, and I agree with Tux about the wild norg.  This would make roaming viable, it would drive prices up, and it would give everyone a reason to fight.

The simple underlying principle of all of this, even Ville's inane rants, is the fact that PVP was constant when betas were worth fighting for.  There must always be a reason to fight.  Fighting is what drives this entire game.  It drives the Market, it drives Industry, and it drives Politics.  Betas were important, even vital to a corps survival.  They are now only worth having if its a station that has an Active SAP.   And now, most vets have more MK2 bots and cortex's than they know what to do with.  So the active SAPS are becoming pointless. 

TL:DR  There must always be a reason to fight.  War is good for the economy.

EDIT: as much as it pains me to say this, I agree with Ville on the walls.  They gotta go.

me too, I have never seen anybody use trial accounts to siege a base.  I have seen CIR use trial arkhes to blow up probes, but never a gamma base.