Correct, turret kills are not PvP kills (obviously, as they are not players).

People spec into combat just like people spec into Ewar. Specing into a bot is usual practice in Perpetuum and boasting about it is pointless. Nothing makes EW different from other bots and there's no reason people specced into it should be in overpowered bots with overpowered mechanics.

EW was fine 2-3 years ago when people had way less EP and there were no tuners. Things have changed and we need other tools than ECCM. These tools should have been added with the introduction of tuners but were not.

I'm not trying to nerf Ewar to hell. I just want a proper tool to mitigate even some of it that does not consume 3 head slots. I don't want it to be invulnerability either. I like playing my Vagabond just like I like playing my Kain and Mesmer. I'm well aware that there should be a drawback with that module.

This post is not a self-serving post of trying to field "min-max ERP heavies". It's just the fact that people are forced to go and subscribe additional accounts/use trials to be of any use on the field.

i guess what everyone is kinda forgetting is any mining party, and most combat situations where someone wants to escape, if they are faced with even a 5 minute minimum log off time, they will simply drop an armoured the instant a masked demobber completes the lock. So for a single target, you only have 3 minutes, and lets say for a party of 3 the last guy will be gone at 4:30.

This is the reality right now.  For the last 3 years you have had to kill someone either before his timer ran out or before his tele charged. ALL SIDES DO THIS.

No matter what, I agree that logoffski should NOT be a viable escape from combat. If 5 is too short, make it 10.
I like 5 since its the same time as the PvP flag, but I don't care what its set at as long as its not indefinite. I won't be using logoffski to avoid combat.  The only time it should occur is an unintentional crash or disco, which unfortunately happens enough in this game. Even then, there is nothing stopping a player relogging in right away usually.

And a logoff trap is completely different and an excellent and valid tactic.

Norrdec wrote:

Burial wrote:

Those are the guys who say EW is not overpowered. You can't even comprehent a simple picture.

These are the guys who don't know how EW works. When someone supresses or demobs you, you see the icon under your robot status - something you don't see with ECM.

Evidently you also have no clue how interference emitters work. We were shooting them at you for hours before you cottoned on and tried launching some back at us.

"Considerably Better Then You"

Okai, let me explain this picture to you. Hunter has opened his own Zenith MK2 info screen up when the suppressors were present. When the picture actually got taken, the suppressors did not apply but the info screen still shows the suppressed values.

Zenith MK2 is not Gunner. You can't see other peoples stats like that and you also don't need to have suppressors running at the moment of doing the picture when you open info screen.

What Hunter is trying to point out is that while double-amped, a suppressor is able to completely jack him up at extreme ranges.

Arga wrote:

Yep, a lot of the 45 pages is repeated, but that's because the opposing side kept trying to deflect the discussion away from the core issue of force projection, because they couldn't make a reasonable arguement against it.

Take a moment to line up your ducks, and make an argument why there should be compensation for consequnces of Developer introduced bugs.

Although, I tried this last time I was personally involved in a bug that resulted in CIR losing assets due to a bug, and was basically told sh*t happens.

Deflecting? Hellm re-read them all. It's like:

Their side: nerf the spt
Our side: why at all?
Their side: nerf the spt
Our side: ok how about this and that and that - should works
Their side: nerf the spt
Our side: well maybe then this this and that or
Their side: nerf the spt
Their side: nerf spt the
Their side: spt nerf the
Their side: nerf
Their side: the
Their side: spt

and so on and so on. Here goes the same btw, and every other thread that doesn't suits them.