Counter to EW is more EW. You see the paradox here?

Basic extension with rank 5 difficulty raises 3% per level.
Advanced extension with rank 9 difficulti raises 1% per level.

Formula should be:
(Bot sensor strength + ECCMs) * extension bonuses

No wonder you guys get threads to 50 pages ... Rage simply repeats things for almost half the posts.

But you guys are right, it shouldn't work this way.
(quick Rex, misquote me, again)

But the bot should not stay indefinitely, it should not stay for just 2 minutes, either.
How long is it in EvE? 15 minutes? I think 5 minutes, the length of the PvP flag, should be long enough.

Leaving a client running and mining afk for 24 hrs is not an exploit. You pay for gametime its your right.

I think you still don't understand: leaving a robot on the terrain that is not controlled by anyone for an indefinite amount of time can lead to unexpected issues. You can keep telling me that it's not how pvp works, but that's like saying "hey, keep that duping mechanic, we'll only use it once, promised".

Someone writes you that ticket and your response is to make bots disappear from terrain after 2 minutes regardless if someone locks it to keep it on terrain, instead of doing the logical thing and making modules turn off after insta-log and leaving the lock-it-keep-it-on-terrain mechanic as it functioned for years.

It's actually very simple. For competent people.

Of course the problem not in follow mechanic. This is a very good and useful mechanic.
The problem in that no need to play for follow bot. Server mechanic plays for you instead. Such thing calls "using a bot". "Using a bot" means "exploit presence".

I advice to -77- (and their -133- alts) forget about their possible butthurt and think: About what this game? Is this game about little company the ppl, who paid 3-4 accounts just to win? Or this is the game for encounters the real people?

Btw this is the report that made us fix the bug (removed names):

Hey. Currently game mechanics allow when a player insta-logs, his bot remains on terrrain for 2 minutes. If another player or NPC locks the player within this time, the bot will remain on terrain, indefinitely, until the player either relogs in or is destroyed. During this period, the modules that were running at the point of insta-log will remain running, even thought the character is offline, targets remain locked. This all correct? because this is what occurs for me, consistently.  With these mechanics in mind, I will have [character1] log off with a mining Scarab running 2 small miners on a liquid mining site. I will then lock him with [character2] before he disappears from terrrain. [character1] will remain on terrain, mining away, until he runs out of charges or becomes full. It takes roughly 29 hours to fill a Scarab full of epi.  At this time he can be shot by anyone, or any wandering NPCs .. so I take it this works as intended?  What makes this advantageous is that on Gamma I can wall him off and he will stay undisturbed by enemies or NPCs ... are you ok with this? I personally do not feel this is an exploited, as the excat same activity and circumstances occur if I simply leave him logged in and mine all night while I sleep.

Where this allows for exploits is I think that theoretically Icould have 2 characters on the same email account and actually have both on terrain. I have not tried this but I feel that is an exploit, as it is currently not possible to log both in when one is online. another possible exploit would be to set up several trial accounts and simply spam mining sequers repeatedly on locations to mine all the liquid. Again I have not tried this but it's possible. Please give me some feedback if I am crossing a line. I will be doing this with 2 characters, *** and ***, Mining Epi and HDT over the next few days. They are separate and paid subscriptions.

It's not all that simple.

Rage Blackout wrote:

DEV Zoom wrote:

Now only the safe logout timer gets interrupted by the lock.

Dev zoom, this is the root of the problem.  This is the big side effect that you patched in that completely changed the dynamic of living or dying if someone is caught with their pants down or are not going to win.

I asked jR, who does the programming of this and he said that we never had any mechanic that would prevent removing a robot from the terrain if you used modules on it. So either we are all victims of a conspiracy or I don't know. The locking issue was a bug as I explained and that had to be fixed.

Rage Blackout wrote:

The problem:

1. A target is aggressed and being shot or demobed.  That person instant logs to avoid death.

Solution:

1. Instant log has an absolute timer of 15 minutes no matter what.

No, there has to be another condition. This works for pvp, but not for pve.

When you're shooting npcs and you crash/disconnect/lose your internet/etc. and they kill you because the server did not remove you for 15 minutes then noone gains anything.

Jita wrote:

Think about it.

Why would a safe log be stopped but an instalog wouldn't? This makes safe logging MORE dangerous

No, not really. What you say is only true if you are absolutely sure that you will survive those 2 minutes of blackout no matter what.

The safe logout is there so you can be absolutely sure that your robot is removed safely from the terrain and react when something happens during those 2 minutes.