Cause they want to play erp heavys online.

Kill E-war? That's a dream. No LOS, superior range, jamms if they get demobbed by Zeniths and so forth.

Killing is just a dream. I want a something that makes them weaker. ECCM doesn't cut it.

By the way, it's not nearly as easy calculation as 80 sensor strength = 100% jamms and adding 1 ECCM(75 points) is 50-60% jam chance.

It's pretty balanced if you asked me.  I as a Vagabond pilot have to give up 1 ECM to add a Tuner, and I run a masker.  Which means I am gimped range a little.

ERP Heavys Online are not as fun as you think you should ask a guy named Immortal Death.  *shudders*  I just went all Beastmode.

One ECCM takes jam chance on Vagabond MK2 vs non-ECCM Heavy away about 10%. I did the numbers when my jamming skills were both at 8 or something similar but the jam% with those conditions were about 50% after about 20k jamms.

One ECCM takes 10%, 2 takes about 18%, 3 about 25% off and so on. So you need 3 ECCM to cut the getting jammed chance down to half.

Those tests are done with 0 tuners and not maxed skills.

You don't read at all. There have been many suggestions. Basically a mod that works with 30s/30s timer like detector or a mod that works like masker draining a chunk of your accumulator every second it's active based on your surface size.

Other suggestions are adding LOS to ECM and Jammers. Third is to seperate ECMs into categories of close and long range ones, long range ones being weaker and so on.

...anyway, this thread is actually just about extension that increases sensor strength.

It's an endless circle of everyone having to bring more EW to beat another. We have landed into situations where we are fighting against 10-15 EW bots with 4-5 DPS supports.

TRAIN ewar pilots.

It isnt my fault that you didnt have the foresight to see its use.

Everyone wants to pewpew but nobody wants to do utility jobs.

Too bad

deal with it

That is 100% not correct and your logic is twisted.

Counter to 20 heavies is 20 heavies.

Counter to ewar is ECCM, other ewar, tactics, other stuff.

I shut down your fleets because I am good at it and I am 100% specced it in.

You guys are all pewpew,

well, guess what, all pewpew doesnt cut it

I have an idea, lets get rid of all the bots in the game except lights.

That is where your warped logic leads us.

Go play WOW or something.

ridiculous

There is a counter, it was figured out and fielded 2-3 years ago. But since PVP isn't your forte, I can understand how you haven't figured it out yet and resort to metagaming the Devs.

So let's take a look a little bit closer. Fleet A consists of some LR bots and bunch of vaga/zeniths. Fleet B should deal with those ewar attacks, which are: supressing and ecm. Counter to ecm is eccm. Counter to supressing is sensor amps. To counter 2x supressors you need at 2x sensor amps, that makes 2 slots out. To counter ecm (which can be trhown in unlimited) you need at least 2x eccm, that makes other 2 slots out. Now you need to deal with LR dps...whoops no headslots left.

That forces fleet B to just few possible solutions. One is to use followbots to get RSA and free 2 headslots - we already have a thread about that. Another is to bring equal or greater number of ewars and fit dps in long range, which will force fleet A to bring even more ewars, which will force fleet B bring even more ewars etc etc.

Problem 1: it forces players to play in a very specific style, which is odd for a sandbox.

Problem 2: game should be renamed into Project Ewarium.

Possible solutions are all listed here, I'll just add one more: Change ECM mechanics in a next way: once activated, it does nothing until cycle lasts. Victim sees that in a similar way as supressor effect. Once cycle is ended, it throws the dices, and if succesfull, breaks the lock. Just 2 ECM can be applied to a target, first one have the full EW strength, second one adds a half of it's strength.

Did u run 1 ecm for 20.000 cycles? or 5 ?
Can u share the logs and numbers so we  can look at these suposed 20.000 cycled ECMs

Logs?   altho whit 6 jamers u have 6 chanses to hit making not as broken as u make it out to be...

And whit 2 Remote sensor amps / Amplifiers u are relocking in 3 seconds