I KIND OF agree with you on the first part Celebro, but the second part I disagree. Gamma SHOULD have the best, and by far the best, exactly because of the risk required to build and maintain a gamma base.

Self sufficiency should be a main feature to gamma IMO, but the last iteration of gamma made it close to impenetrable.

Basically gamma should be an island you can build a base on, and be FAIRLY safe within, lets say 2km of that base. (I.e you can protect your investment and yourself with turrets). That doesn't mean wall off the island and make it to where it takes 12 hours of terraforming to get a fleet on it. For your risk (i.e billions of nic worth of base assets) you should enjoy the best ratting, mining and production. Seems pretty simple to me from a philosophical standpoint.

Isn't gamma supposed to be "endgame"?

The economy was "ruined" as you put it by the fact that you could mine in complete safety forever and ever and ever. There's nothing wrong with a self sufficient gamma island, with the previous bonuses for building, PROVIDED THAT THE ISLAND ISNT' DAMN NEAR COMPLETELY SAFE>>> like it was before. I don't know, from my perspective why would I spend time, resources and risk my assets to move *** out to gamma in order to be able to build *** there? Much safer and time efficient to just ship stuff FROM gamma to an alpha 2 and do production there.

If people move to a gamma island, it gives NEW PEOPLE somewhere to move and still be able to aquire the same *** as gamma folks, except for colixium. So now, the bitter vets move to gamma, the new players move to beta, pvp happens, mining epriton happens, game is good. There's a logical progression there.

Look at this realisticly not from some lofty idealistic viewpoint of what could and should happen. There's MAYBE 3 groups of players in the game that will build bases on gamma, and one of them currently own's 9/10th's of the beta stations.

Awesome Humble bundle up right now.

I love it when sinny admits defeat.

It's because they're not, and it's all just forum warriors pvping with devs.

All this talk about alpha is just a smoke and mirrors trick anyways, as still --- BY FAR --- THE BEST  --- nic per hour is mining epriton, with nora farms a close second, the first which can ONLY be done on beta and the 2nd which is much better on beta provided you can protect the plants.

Sindick is just mad that we've been blowing up their mechs on gates and there's nothing he can do about it. We don't own a beta he can come and take. We haven't been mining on beta, so he can't gank us there. They were called out on abusing plasma bombs and beacons, and since there's nothing ingame they can do to get back at us, they're trying to get the devs to nerf alpha.

QQ moar.

Oh noes! someone is making ~30 million and hour with 2 accounts that have over 1m ep ! on alpha!!!!

CRY NERF!!!

They're actually using their guns and mk2 heavy mechs! They're not using plasma bombs and arkhes to abuse *** like we did!!

HELP WE CAN"T COMPETE!!!

They're getting along like champs. Jita and Lucian shared a room and kissed and made up, heavy mk2's were ganked and all is right with the world.

This game has so much potential from a PVE standpoint. Remember the opening of the Alpha 2 Islands? We had to clear out tons of npcs to "unlock" the terminals. I had a great time, rolling out with RG and 62nd to clear out Shinjalar.

Incursions by npcs would be an awesome idea. Random events where the natives attempt to take back an Island, or two or three. It fit's in with Hunter's post about mutual goals as well... Maybe the NPCs are so strong most of the player base has to band together to force them back...

Islands with real time npc wars taking place. Band together with robots of your same race in order to win objectives.

Teleports that take you to another island (instanced probably) where you have to complete objectives with some sort of boss robot fight or a big fight against a walled off turreted npc fortification. Maybe even make some of them put a sort of beacon that can be hacked by enemy forces (players) and raided for further pvp content.

This game needs this pve content, as well as new shiny (super expensive bots most everyone will only use for pve -- that doesn't come from materials only found on pvp islands).  I've been saying this for 3 years. Maybe we'd be able to hit those 5000+ concurrent player goals I know this game is capable of... if only it had a touch more.

Problem is, Devs are too small a team to be able to implement anything like this in any kind of timeframe beyond years, and since moving the servers they're too broke to be able to hire more devs for that content. I don't mean this to be offensive to the devs, you guys have worked so hard on this for so many years... but realisticly it's just a pipe dream.

Probaly doesn't help much that the current playerbase is screaming for Gamma to be done either, but I doubt that's going to make much a difference with the population. (i.e I doubt we're gonna see more people playing once gamma is re-released than there are now.) I know a 2nd look at missions is planned after the gamma re-release, but hopefully, as soon as possible after gamma we can get some PVE love going in this game.

Again, this isn't about you... it's about everyone. Remember when there was a bug for a day that the factory was producing prototypes? I reported it the moment I found out about it. Thankfully I wasn't the first person to report it even.

Can you imagine, a bug like that, and no one reporting it? These are the things we're talking about here. Keep thinking this is all about you though, it's pretty funny watching you squirm.

Because doing tons of beacons with plasma bombs in arkhes is on the same level as using a indy bot as remote rep.
Again with trying to bring us down to your level.

And because I have to... again... i'll state...

This...

Isn't....

About...

You...

Because not wanting someone to ABUSE IN-GAME MECHANICS is all about you, right?

Do you really think anyone would have reacted differently if it would have been [insert random corp name here] instead of you? If you do, get over yourself because not everything is about you.

Maybe next time you'll think twice before abusing mechanics to gain an advantage. You screwed yourself over with all of this, and I personally think it's just cause. Dragging red mobs on players in alpha got them all turned orange, abusing beacons with bombs and explosion damage got that nerfed. Stop crying as you have no one to blame but yourselves. Can your ego not take doing something on alpha to turn a profit? I promise not to look down on you (anymore then I already do) because you're farming beacons on alpha.