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I think a lot of *rose colored glasses* are going on here. The old intrusion system was dumb. I know you remember M2S signing up to every intrusion for weeks and weeks and never even showing up. It might not be great the way it is now, but IMO it's better then the old system. And people *** about the old system a lot which is why they changed it anyways. Having the fate of your station on the hook every 3 days for a 1 time shot when the enemy outnumbers you doesn't sound like much fun to me.

It's just another tactic. It can be countered by 100 different things, and to be honest, watching people jump out on an armored teleport and this are nearly the same thing.

@ Cassius - Maybe, maybe not. I'm not afraid to lose bots in pvp. I wouldn't have flagged on a gate with you guys if I was. I was being told on TS to blow up on ya'll.

I did.... Crashed, restarted, asked in TS if it was safe to log back in, they said yes you guys had already moved off the tele, so I logged in. Had about 1/3rd armor left started repping and running down to where everyone else was.

And, the old saying.... Almost doesn't count unless it's horse shoes and hand grenades.

My client crashed.

I thought I'd log in and be in terminal, and surprise... I wasn't and I got to *** merkle's cam with mah mighty seth of doom.

Sorry Hunter, there's no conspiracy here.

Ahh, ok must have missed that post. Glad it's been addressed.

I was pointing out that now you guys are complaining about something and using the same argument you used with the "Oh we should change cause you don't like it."

It's not about you guys being able to defend your outposts. And btw, I wasn't around when spark teleports were implemented, so I never used it against you guys. Besides, what I've been arguing for is a pretty descent compromise for everyone. 10 minute undock timer on beta only. Everyone keeps their sparks to gamma and alpha with no cooldown. No cooldown to spark to or from an outpost on beta, but also no instant undock heavy mech pwnage squads either. You must commit yourself to an outpost for defense. You also must commit yourself early.

It works the same way for everyone and we'll have to live with it same as you. The biggest thing I've been against is sparking anywhere instantly AND being able to undock a fleet of heavy mechs instantly. Now you guys can show how mature you are and agree that a compromise is needed here. This shouldn't hamper your ability to defend the stations you have if you can still field the fleets, but it WILL stop people spark ganking, which is the part I feel is overpowered.

I can't believe that the guys who own nearly all the beta stations are complaining about having to defend all the beta stations... oxymoron that?

Oh... wait, yes I can it's Line afterall. I got 99 problems but defending a beta outpost aint one!

They change the rules in football (American) all the time.

We get that you like your OP tactics, and your argument that we should just use them to is invalid because we do. We're not asking the devs to nerf YOU and YOUR alliance, we're asking the devs to nerf EVERYONES overpowered beta spark teleports... including our own. Maybe you'll cut your nose off to spite your face, but I don't want to see new people getting 20 heavy mechs dropped on them from spark teleports.

Sweet!

It's not about who's stronger or who's not, it's about 10, 15, 20, however many people being able to be completely spread out around the world, and INSTANTLY be able to form in one place and undock. We've used it to get kills. You've used it to get kills. It's overpowered.

Think about it from a newer corps perspective, you roll out with your gang of assaults and lights for a sap. Intel says there's 1 guy sitting under the station with a detector. He sees you, knows there's 5 assaults with a couple light ewar support. He says in alliance chat - we have x coming in with y. You spark over 10 guys, undock in heavy mechs, *** face and slap each other on the back about how awesome you are.

And that's what you consider fun pvp. There's no preparation, there's no logistics besides what one person can accomplish with one trip in a scarab, there's no power projection or even a need to form up to protect what you have. 1 person to spot, the rest of the gang can host a circle jerk until the call to spark comes.

If anything it sounds to me like you're the one that has something to lose, and so a reason to fear the change. We've used it just as much as you have, it's what let us get these kills http://www.perp-kill.net/?m=related&id=254972 the difference is, we know it's overpowered as we use it.