Your to involved with game drama,. that stat sheet is,. Flawed in so many ways,. and has been a bad smell on forums for years..

Many players from Mankind, like ( myself ) would argue its history on there. 2002 is around the time of a mass server wipe, they basically lost ALL there current players, But mankind from (1999 or so) survives..

Guess what im pointing out is,. Stats like that are not reliable.

Perpetuum is still a long way off from petering out,. come back later if it got boring.

And yes, Hats off to Grim,. Good post,.

I think I said this months ago at some point but, Alpha needs the Milk and Honey,. so the casual alpha player can just day dream and get lost in things to do,. then call his friends,.

More exploring content is perfect,.The relic thingy? perfect type of concept, More please,. There is a major lack of interest in exploring,.

Take this wonderful blue/green/red system and make it into something more..

I dont care what anyone says,. But daily missions, or repeatable daily content is a must. give casual subs something to do, an GASP,. not log out after spending some ep.

An good lord, more light bots,. LOTS.. you should be patching them in faster then battlefield can add new weapons..

/cough  --->  (drone missions). people need to stop using eve as an example,. the 2 games are nothing like each other.. faaak sakes

everything should be in reach to Alpha players,.. beta just needs a better turf war system,. POS should be a good start,. BUT everything EVERYTHING should be at the alpha players disposal. PVP will not brew in a boring game,.

the fourms here are complete crap atm,.. Alpha needs to be fixed first,. at this point,. Beta and its closed mind inhabitants should be put second,. the game is clearly boring to the new comer.

Alpha all so needs pvp,. faction pvp or something.. the whole risk vrs reward should be loot drops and gold,. but raw mats for crafters should be on Alpha.. Crafters and cannon fodder npc hunters need to be saved from bordom,. pvpers like my self are hardy,. we can wait,..

just get some more useless fun into the game first..

I think its obvious that hit dispersion/ surface size needs to be revisited by the devs, Im sure its on there to do list somewhere..

And last time I checked, light bots  do in fact have medium slots.

Makes perfect sense,. we can insert as many layers as we want,. or fraction it up infinitely ,. the result is the same..

The larger value will still be larger,. There is no way to make 1 = 2,. could be possible to get it close no doubt, but then what about 1=3 ? ,.. insert more layers?,.. its an infinity. it cant be rationalized with.

There is no solution to prevent strength in numbers.

The only thing I can think of is some type of layer that effects the targeting of a group trying to zerg lock and spike one target,. some type of interference or feed back to make it more logical to spread out the dps. but again,. I dont see this preventing the strength of simply out numbering the competition..

Are you Sarah Palin ?

This is how dumb you look --->  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCsMrKQ45w

I think Toku just had a spudnut moment..

Darkfall has more players then here, A LOT more,. pvp is not its problem,. its the scripting/ afk clicking/ epic attribute grinds,. and the obvious super build problem. non combat crafters left after seeing most players just grind the skills an craft for them self. problems go much deeper then the pvp in that game. I cant help but to say it,. but the pve there is a lot of fun, and if you dont farm beside a know city full of gankers you are fine..

This game has 3 outcomes to choose from. (1) Pve dungeon crawls, (2) pvp turf wars, or (3) a blend of the palyers in a fair an fun environment. right now I think some of the issues are obvious,. pvp is a 5/10 and pve is 3/10.. all areas of the game needs to be revisited by the devs. hell pvp/pve in wow is better ATM ,.

I gave this game a 7/10 at MMORPG,. I think I may have been a bit reserved an buffed my rating a bit,. I have a soft spot for pvp games. The Devs here are taking a risk, I respect what there trying to do here.

The 3rd option is hard to achieve ,. but future devs should never give up or cave to one side or the other,. we have a market full of games like that all ready..

Im not going to flame you back,. so nice troll attempt. forget about me and watch this video.

dont negate the video just cus its me posting it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbh5l0b2-0o

Whats amazing is,.. the degree to witch some people dont care about the facts.

Put effort into giving the devs an Idea what would make you feel "safe" in a open pvp world. Try to meet the discussion half way. pvp No is not an option,. pvp yes is not an option,. there must be a nice blend of the two so all players can enjoy the game.

preparing the readers for a good bye post is,... Whaaaaaaaah! *sniffle*  waaaah,..!

Meh,. your arguments are boring and hold no weight. you reduce it all to griefing. A player like you should not be buying a game that advertises open pvp. your not the only one thats been around since UO you know..

There is plenty of games out there for you,. you said you played eve for more then a year, it has open pvp, all ways has. but yet you seem to think this pvp yes and pvp no is the only thing that works,.. so why did you play eve for so long then,?

Pk have cut you deep,. we all understand,. We do. But why your playing a game that advertises open pvp is confusing,..

The devs are all ways racing the players, no matter if there is open pvp or not. The industry is full of boring theme park MMO's and pvp yes/pvp no worlds,. Stop crying that devs just want an easy job,. Its a *** Argument.

I think the only answer then Wraith is 2 separate servers.. sadly but yea.