Well Savin, I feel its time to give up on you. I'm not the best at expressing the issue. I use force in and out of context, so my bad. but it gets tiring running around in circles with you.

I think Other can talk about this issue better then I can so I wll just watch him talk.

A good example of your ignorance is your idea of assignments getting a NIC nerf and spawns getting a loot drop buff,.. makes me facepalm my self when I'm done reading.

perhaps in a few months when your isolated farm yelds less an less NIC due to the easy Mats people can farm, you might come back here with a better view on the situation,.

Your other post in the related topic is no different,. bla bla bla, have you done anything else in this game besides mine?

This is the kind of valid issues I try to express as well. When the game gets really busy ( with hope it dos) A pve combat corp can grief someones game experience just as easy as a pvp corp.

When Alpha gets packed, just think of the fast locking and how a corp, or 2 or 3 man team could keep a spawn for them selfs indefinitely. The potential to grief all noobs off a 1star mob is unreasonable,. Remote seonsor booster + fastlocking bot + sensor booster + skill, = my spawn? all day? possibly all weekend? cheers to safe zones,.

I need to take breaks , drink coffee,. smoke,. etc . But as we all know, there is a lot of players that would fastlock a spawn for 10 hours before eating a packet of sugar..

Sure ,. the devs could nerf the mob,. Nerf the taging of npc targets, etc, etc.. but how is that helping the pve department,? The bottom line is ,. if ya dont mix pve/pvp then the first an most obvious problem is the safe pve gets abused just the same.

Evin after a swift water boarding you still dont wake up. there is a problem with player vs environment, The minning part? well its done better then most games,. besides the fact it might get Usurped by people recycling loot.

/edit : I said core rout,. Not "only"

I would find it safer to mine in Darkfall then Alpha with my pvp flag on. So this would be the best way to explain a problem by observation. why would someone advertise kil mee killll meee

History speaks volumes , The safe lands effectively starved out many gray area's of play, moved the surviving players into a different direction, and destroyed the economy for crafters. This Marked the end of the first great sandbox. -Ultima Online

If this is what P. is, then its doomed by design if the devs expect a working open pvp world, And they should know better.

+1 to this point of view.

The freedom of action add's color to the game, it gives it life. Its possible that this is where the soul of a sandbox comes from. It promotes Rp, *** the progress of player advancement, and fuels the games military industrial complex =p

Forced? Nothing should be "forced" there should be freedom to what ever actions I feel like taking,. if thats to suicide my ship to kill you for fast locking and get jailed to beta for a week then so be it,. I want that freedom to act on what ever actions I so please, I deal with the repercussions later,. so yea,. I think some of the PVE crowd should lick there wounds ,. pull there pants up and stop asking for a such a safe bowl of cookies to eat from.

I played it all man,. I would rather play a game where someone can take my milk money and then $hit on me,. I want to feel like its a struggle to survive,. I do understand though that the games needs a warm protective woom for new players to spawn out of. But there HAS to be potential risk of dieing by the hand of players ALL THE TIME..

I'm no ganker/griefer, but I support freedom in pvp. the big problem is the criminal flagging system that makes most open pvp games fail..

forced pvp should allways have huge draw backs to the attacker. harsh punishment for attacking Innocent players, boycots, debuffs after death,. could speculate endless things.

Its getting old seeing eve get compared to this, there really nothing like each other. In eve's first year I used to kill miners in high sec, I was all ways risking a lot doing it. took to many pods an found out the game was mad at me, Make matters worse, people in low sec didn't like me. as a newb I felt like the game abandoned me,. I felt in trouble, it was great,. It had been the first time since Ultima I felt that way,.

The sandbox is like a soul in a person,. its just there,. you cant explain it.