I'm trying to see all sides of this...

I think there are some things that we can agree on;

- the most common PVP now is 'the roam'
- EW are the most used bot for 'the roam'

Now, unless ALL the bots exactly the same, there will always arise 1 bot/setup that is superior for 'the roam'.

Automatically, any bot with NO offensive capabilty will not be used for a roam, it would be completely useless.

The next defacto roam bot will be the fastest bot with offensive capability, regardless of it's size.

If EW has its weapons taken away, then the Baphomet with lasers and T4 frames going 90 kph will be next; or something else like this.

Mech's will still not be able to catch a group of Baph's, plus they will pound the crap out of a mech in no time flat.

In any of the scenerios, EW is now useless for 'the roam', and now no one but me with my medium fit Baph is happy.

I would also like to be able to tag the billboards... *shakes spraycan*

Seriously though, some type of in game method of recruiting would be very helpful, not all new players find their way to the forums; Yellow pages adds sounds like a winner!

Med laser weapons are only marginally better than small weapons, until you spend alot of EP. That holds true regardless of the Bot they are mounted on.

I don't know about med guns or mag because I don't have any real damage numbers on a consistent platform (my baph) to compare them to. They would however need to be 15% higher base damge to make up for the dispersion difference in those weapon types vs. lasers.

Edit: 4 med lasers on a Artemis gets a 5% bonus plus the advanced robot control bonus already, which would be result in more overall dps against an assualt than a (5) smalls fitted on baph. If you fighting an EW with surface size of 3 though, 3/5.6 your going to cut that dmg by 53% vs. 71% for assult.

Just wanted to add, I'm not trying to make an arguement that fitting Med laser on a Baph is recommended. Its something I'm doing, and hopefully everyone else can benefit from my experiences without needing to spend the EP to do so.

Doing just a general look at Medium dispersion;

Robot size/Weapon Dispersion = % hit
With Precision 10; you get 30% reduction in Dispersion ()

Med Laser - 8 (5.6)
Med Mag - 10 (7)
Med mach gun - 12 (8.4)
Med Auto Can - 10 (7)

Robot Size

Light - 2.75 to 4.0 3.0 for most non-industrial
Assualt - 4.0
Mech - 7.0 to 9.0; 8.0 for most non-industrial

Looking at Med. vs assult (applicable to any Med weapon regardless of bot mounted on)

4/8(5.6)  = 50% to 71% hit chance
4/10(7)     = 40% to 57% hit chance
4/12(8.4)  = 33% to 48 % hit chance

In general, med. lasers would be better suited for Baph vs. assualt, but at best your going to see a 29% reduction in dps.

Using my above tested numbers than,

(22 dmg / 3 cycles ps) = 7.3 dps per small turret
(50 dmg / 4.5 cycles ps) = 11.1 dps per med turret

[note my cycle times are much lower due to extensions, but using base values for both will give normalized results]

7.3 * 3 turrets = 21.9 dps
11.1 *2 turrets = 22.2 dps

total = 44.1 vs Mech or larger

vs. assualts however 22.2dps *.71 = 15.87 + 21.9 = 37.77 dps.
With 5 small turrets * 7.3 = 36.5 Dps

a 3% dmg increase vs assult bots but a 17% increase vs Mechs or larger.

* Note these numbers are based on actual damges from combat logs using chemo in both types, so while the values may vary the %'s will likely remain constant vs different resistances. I also have skill 5 in both Med and small, but the baph adds 5% to small lasers. Increasing Med laser skills will make the 3% gap grow without 'wasting' EP in basic robotics or basic optics. Advanced laser is 5 (15%) now, going to 10 would add an additional 15% to 18% total, not to include skills that decrease cycle time.

The beta island issue will probably clear itself up with the addition of the 6 new zones, but that is not likley to happen for many months.

Here is my issue with the current 2 zone setup, Alpha/Beta.

Because of the resource balance, there is no way an Alpha alliance can grow strong enough to take a beta Island. Corps that get kicked off beta also can't go to Alpha, regroup and strenghen, and go back.

Once a beta alliance has continual access to those resources, they grow too powerful to be removed by anything less than another beta alliance.

I'm not talking about simply taking an outpost, because we all know that outpost ownership has nothing to do with Island control.

Once there is more space, then corps will be able to 'fall back' to beta and regroup in attempts to knock corps out of their new homes, but it will be only the current beta corps that will have the strengh of bots and NIC to take over those new lands.

The rich get richer.

I would simply like to see some sort of mechanism in game that allows even a 'chance' for newly formed Alliances to challenge beta islands with a fair chance of winning; and not just giving beta islanders some PVP distraction.

Yes, lets by all means spread out the community.

I think its more appropriate to say Eve and Perpetuum are in the same MMO genre.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/World- … 12174.html

While talking about Wow, he says ""It is a touchstone," Zeschuk told the audience. "It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO."

I would ammend that and say they set it for the fantasy based MMO. And respectively Eve has set some standards that Perpetuum is adhering to. This makes the transition between games smoother and more natural, such as retaining a lot of the look and feel of the UI.

There are enough differences however to make the game play unique, it doesn't feel like you're playing Eve on the ground.

I think Perptuum would have been better served to wait a little longer for release, which would have given them time to add more content and retain a larger % of the initial subscribers and launch momentum; although I'm sure there were finanical and logistical reasons for launching when they did.

The game APB was the biggest budget MMO to fail, in just 72 days operation. Perpetuum could probably run for a year on the rounding error of APB's budget. Low operating costs means this game has plenty of time to build back a player base and reach sustainable levels.

As long as AC continues to support and develop, the game isn't going anywhere.

Promised and delivered on time.

Thank you!!

I'm on the right track then!!