Stopped reading after the first paragraph.... Syndic has nightmares of the old Norhoop alliance *** gangs. I still think that's the best single point i've ever spent in my extensions, as rolling multiple mechs and light ewar tackle *hi cookie monsta!* with a few t4 framed laser fit yagels and a couple fast tacklers was some of the most fun i've had in this game.

After 2 years with it the other way, I don't belive ill be able to get used to that

proper fitting requires knowing what you're going to fight. If you're very highly specialized, and you know what you're doing you can fit some bots to have great attributes.

That being said, there's usually a counter to everything. The trick is bringing enough of the right amounts of the right things. when you figure out how, you'll win perpetuum....

At least until the next person figures out how to beat what you bring

We need more information to go on then "i r beat 2v1 keins1!!" there lemon. I'm sure if they were fit properly, and werent piloted by noobs that cant afford percision firing 8 at least, they would have no trouble killing you.

This is very true, and something I tried to get my former corp to see. Early on in the game after it was released, we were all on equal footing. The research race was on, and the corps that got to the end first usually were the ones that won most engagements in the game. Selling T4 on the market meant selling it to people who were going to use it to kill you, so most corps came up with internal markets or ran it straight up communistic. There was no real benefit to selling it to people, as beta island producers get 80% of the nic for production back in station income if they own the outpost. So you didn't need much nic to produce everything you needed.

You hit the nail on the head with why the market is important, but the guys sitting on the finished tech prototypers don't want to give up a strangle hold on them. Providing prototypes at 10x materials (a good prototyper will make something on every one) to anyone and everyone would open up the marketplace like wildfire. Instead, those on alpha or not in some of the older more established corps get left to rot.

So what would a robust market encourage? It would encourage guys that would rather spend their time mining/running transports/farming npcs with a few RL friends, or in-game friends to buy the things they want. Eventually some of them will find their way on to beta to shoot at you (which all the beta corps say they want anyways).

The problem is, most of the current beta island corps aren't intrested in fair play, or good fights. They simply want to dominate their opponents. It's understandable, everyone wants to win. What they don't understand is that hoarding all the protos hurts them just as much as the noob that quits because he can't buy *** on the market.

Oh well... I guess in another 6 months when arga gets done with the tech tree there'll be market avalible protos... or at least more tech on the market.

*edit* That last paragraph in the quote is espically true in my former corp. Cliques get formed, and if you're outside and have a voice or want to do things a little diffrently, the clique gets upset and /ragekicks.

Could it be a bunch of NC people who're upset about losing their homes?

I haven't been around for the past few days, so I dunno what's up in game... but I think I have a reason now to log in and find out

More people is a good thing, usually.

<Someone Important> tbh I am the one behind getting the assault stealth bonus reverted
<Someone Important> and the ECCM reverted
<Someone Important> it interrupts the philosophy

That part of the log has me concerned. I don't know who it is, nor do I care, but that concerns me.

It sounds like some bitter vet who's territory has been threatened by newer players being able to come out and compete. What they're failing to realize is... even if they've spec'd away from basic robotics stuff, should they choose to have fun with the other guys doing it, they could always pick up a new account. You can get into an assault from day one.

I doubt anyone is going to be bringing assault squads on intrusions btw. Maybe if you're feeling lonely and want to have a fight in mechs and heavy mechs, make an intrusion happen.

I'm really hoping they don't revert the changes. I see no problem with a waspish going as fast as Kain, with baphomet and arbie even faster. I also don't see a problem with them being stealth as they are. I see no need to change them from their current form, because some bitter vet has decided they are upset because the game has changed.

If the bots do change, are we going to get a mrk2 variant of that as well? Is it going to require espitium, briochit or alligior to make? I certainly hope not, or kiss it being new player friendly goodbye.

Seriously, would you rather sit on your island 24/7, mining away, building up... and then hardly ever fighting, because you spent so long mining and hauling that you don't want to risk it getting blown up?

Or would you rather have lots of fun fights, where the things you blow up and get blown up in aren't THAT important? But hey.. maybe you can have lots of fun showing up on someones door and suprising a miner or lithus. Then it's a race to see if you and your buddies can blow up that lithus before he makes it to station or the teleporter. Or his buddies show up to save him...

Most of the fights I remember  are the ones that we laughed about, wether we killed stuff or not. I haven't been on too many of those lately. The last one I remember was Dark Omega, and a couple of other guys (sorry forget your names) from CIR, and we took out t1 fitted assaults and killed 2 kains and 2 castels. The best thing about it was the suprise factor.

Think long and hard about what you want from perpetuum. Ask yourself also what will happen if the game does not grow. I sure as hell had alot more fun 3 months ago in light bots when there was tons of people to shoot at... and get shot by. Whatever it takes for this game to have people like that again... or MORE... I'll stand behind.

The awnser is:

Because we wanted to.

tl;dr
QQ 4-5 noobs in assaults can take my super duper tanked artemis. Srsly, you can talk about how you're having a serious discussion all you want, but at the end of the day, that's what it boils down to.

So... now you have to use tactics to fight noobs in assaults instead of walking all over them. Which, by the way, will happen as soon as you realize that 2 people in a mech squad with weapon stabs will *** them. So what if they get away because you can't see them. Speacialize into a detector toon, you're so for specialization.

Are you asking for a heads up so you know what to spend your ep on now so that you can be uber in the future?

I've told everyone who's asked and plenty that didnt that I never wanted to specialize my character so much I'd be obselte in any certain bot if it got nerfed or something else was more powerful.

Would you believe I'm probaly the only early access guy on the server that's still active with a combat oriented character who ISNT in a heavy mech? It's because I kept all my basic robotics skills, and I spec'd heavily into EW as well. Now, maybe you can do some things better then me, but I can easily jump into any thelodica bot, besides seth, drive a sequer and ew the crap out of you.

Specialization has a price. Sure being the best in any certain bot is a good thing, but that bot isnt going to be useful in every situation. I guess i'll be left out if RG ever decides to do a heavy mech only roam. I've felt pretty left out all these times that they're running in kains and I can't go because my artemis only does 71 and that's with gimp fittings.

Having plans for the future and all is great, but we're playing here and now. Besides, if you read the Q&A from beta, the devs stated there were eventually going to be destroyer class bots. Might want to start saving up your EP for them now. I mean... that's where all the end game pvp will be. Oh, and don't forget artillery, there'll be some of that.

But until that comes out, why not quit the *** and moaning about assaults (and this isn't directed at any one certain person, i've heard several people crying about losing heavy mechs to a 15 man assault group). It doesn't cost that much to get into an assault, and a few points into masking, and you're good to go. New people will have MORE FUN because they'll have viable tactics for lower ep.

They can be countered by all the things that the beta island corps promote... working together as a team. You might lose a few bots here and there solo or in small groups, but that's the price you pay for living on beta island. Plus it'll give you something to do to replace it when it gets blown up. Plus the alpha island more casual players and pvpers will be able to compete... maybe only to the extent of killing a couple people caught out traveling alone, or lone unscouted rivelers, but it's something.

I only read part of the first page, and I think I understand the argument, at least as it was in the first page.

Assaults were useless in pvp... people ***.

Assaults now have a place in pvp... people ***.

I'm sad to see another player go. I know you got lured to the dark side, and when it proved to really be too good to be true, now you're leaving. Fly safe in Eve, and remember the good times.

=S=

Not recruiting, im offering fun things to do, for anyone... Even you glimpsey. Hoping to boost morale a little and i think arga had it right with this post.