Industrial Sector wrote:Goffer wrote:If you show me one way to get 1 Shielded Tyrannos down with 2 Kains, I agree, that Tyrannos is not overpowered.
2 Kains can carry 4 neuts/drains to deal with Tyrannos shield. Same for 1 ERP Kain down with 2 %mechname% btw and for 1 Armored Arte...oh wait.
First of all two Kains with together 4 Neuts are a bad joke, no pvpler I know would take that fit out in the fields unless they just fit because they new they need to conter shild, and even then it is bad joke, because there are quite better possibilities if you know you gonna conter shield fit.
While I never checked, I doubt, that you break a Tyrannos Energy with draining Kains, I assume you need Neuts, which requires the Kain to take a lot care of energy.
Dunno if 2 Kains have enough Akku for one skilled Tyrannos to just neut him before running out of Akku when they don't have rep or hardener running and the Tyrannos is afk. But from tankfits I have seen, I'm pretty sure you need to gimp your Kain even further to get this job with rep running by filling your legs with Akkurecharge/Extender. I mean I'm not talking about how to kill a Tyrannos who's driver is afk with a setup that requires you even to run from hostile Arkes as you would not survive them, when looking for a Kain fit to counter Tyrannos.
ECM to death is something that can happen, but can fail as using ECM is still gambling. In general a Kain can't ECM forever due to his Akku, while Tyrannos has a lot time.
There are for sure some possibilities I haven't considered, but all in all, in the rock paper scissor where blue is the enemy of green and fears red, there is now way for blue to beat green when both driving mech and green is shielded. And I really doubt, that 2 Kains have a reasonable chance unless use that specialised fits, that will fail against most other enemies they could encounter (including some light EW bots), and even then I don't think that Tyrannos will die and Kain survive if all involved agents knew how to play.
Yeah, Kain is always the faster and can counter all shield fits by running. I accept, that retreat is sometimes the win of a battle, but I'm not playing games, when the only thing I can do is to run away whenever enemy comes in sight and you call that "balancing". Especially as long as Kain is the fastest mech but all light and assault can outrun Kain.