Exactly Sundial.  They could have tweaked the formula and kept the Trioar bonus alone and all would have been fixed for all Green bots that use the broken formula.

I had posted this on the original post here, but no Dev listened, which I had assumed would happen anyway.

Now people will train the Tyrannos and the Devs will eventually nerf it, pissing off the players who dropped high amounts of EP into it to get the uber tank it delivers through the broken math exploit.

This will cause people to quit the game in the future.  This could have been avoided with no disruption in the past. It can still be avoided with minimal disruption today.  Tomorrow is a different story.

Hmm, what a question -> how much bonus should an expensive level 10 extension give over a level 9 extension?

Scyylla says "significant", whatever that means.

Anyone else care to give an answer?

Wrong, there are ONLY 2 right extensions for the Tyrannos to level 10.  It's even more important than the venerable Navigation-10.  All other extensions for the Tyrannos can hover between 4 and 10 and it won't make much of a difference.

I've already sent the formula with examples to Dev Mancs and he has forwarded it to Dev Alf on Dec 15th and on Dec 23rd.  I am waiting for a response back from one of them.

If I don't get one by the end of the 1st week of January, or if they say "working as intended" then I will make new thread with formulas and all.

They nerfed the broken troiar and the troiar is still very effective post-nerf.  If they nerf the Tyrannos it still will be very effective, as opposed to being broken as it is today.

Alexadar, "specialized tanking", what is that?

My pre-nerfed Troiar and today the Tyrannos was/is not using specialized tanking.  You get your skills high enough in the old-Troiar or today's Tyrannos, harnessing the logarithmic math, and you can tank anything.  GENERAL tanking everything, anything, anytime.

Pit Fiend's Troiar Mk2 pre-nerf was not specialized, I just had the right skills higher than any other veteran and was able to tank 90% to 140% more dps because I had the right skills at 10's as opposed to the next best Troiar pilot having those skills at 8's.  I was exploiting the Hungarian math, same as the Tyrannos pilots are doing now.

Improving two skills by 2 points should not double your tanking ability, period.  Secondly, this further divides the gap between new and old veteran players, something I'm sure the Devs don't want to exasperate.

LOL Anni, ya nerf the Kain because it is too easy for noobs to use, lets see how far that line of thinking goes.  The only reason the kain is "easy to fit" is because it has 2 extra useless missile slots which are junk slots because it's not worth the extra 20 dps.  If those slots allowed drainers or neuts then fitting the kain will become much more a challenge.

Secondly, your Troiar quote was factually incorrect as the Tyrannos uses the same math as the troiar did and therefore was not "the only mech to use it.".  Plus your version of Hungarian math is more narrow minded.  You still have no idea why the Troiar was and now the Tyrannos is broken.  At least nothing you have posted tells me you know why.

I'm already talking to devs about the Tyrannos exploit.  It suffers from the same Hungarian math that the Troiar suffered from pre-nerf.

If they plan not to do anything about it then I will let the rest of the community know exactly which skills to level to what level to get the broken Tyrannos.

Why they bothered to nerf the Troiar and not the Tyrannos is beyond me.  And don't tell me that the troiar mk2 was unkillable pre-nerf because it wasn't.  At least mine (Pit Fiend) was VERY hard to kill but other people who did not know which skills to skill up to what level were piloting easily killable Troiar Mk2s.

Same goes for the Tyrannos Mk2.  Someone with the right skills at the highest level is immensely more potent (and MUCH harder to kill) than a person just a couple skill points less.  The Tyrannos power grows exponentially as you skill up the right skills while all other skills for all other bots increase linearly.  That's the broken math exploit people are using.

I knew about the Troiar/Tyrannos problem back in May 2011 before anyone else and created a Trioar which exploited that math.

Again, if the devs do nothing then I will essentially give the cheat code for tapping into the full Tyrannos power curve.

Of course when The Omen says "certain peeps" he is referring to nova-blob members.

And yes, I have seen nova-members blob-then-brag about it in GC.  Of course they never brag about blobbing because in their eyes they didn't blob.  Umm... I am mistaken, Lemon did say "90" one time, proudly bragging about the unholy, unnatural, and grotesque size of his team's blob during one intrusion.

This is one of the differences between elitist players and elite players.

I did not tell DEVs/you guys because:
1) It is 100% legal
2) I wanted a benefit for my investment (400k dedicated EP)
3) I wanted to BBQ a heavy with my light 1v1 in 2011
4) Our old leadership has had a history of going to the DEVs with imbalances and it got us nowhere, everytime
5) I'm a very very bad man 

Yellow guns on yellow bots do use a higher percentage of cap regen than blue guns on blue bots.  But you have to factor that blue needs the extra cap for active repping (see below)

And yellows shoot further than blues... that has been the whole rational for blue superior speed, yes?

Yellow gets his tank up front before the fight begins without having to rep.

Once you factor in yellows 50% bonus to tank/resist, you quickly see that a blue bot has to actively rep during combat for several reps just to equal the base starting armor/tank of a yellow bot.

Active tanking takes precious accum/sec which is also running guns, amp, and hardeners.  That's why it is important for blue EM guns on blue bots not to sap as big a percentage of accum/sec as yellow guns on yellow bots (see above).

For a blue bot to actually benefit from the rep bonus he gets from his bot (5%/level) he has to actively rep during a fight... yellow doesn't have that problem.

Unfortunately, with the rep tuning nerf of last patch, it is no longer a good option to rep during a fight anymore.

Wrong, let me educate.

Styx was the cancer, and that was cut out a long time ago by the devs.

NovaBlob, one of the many defenses to Styx's m2s, continued on with the holy "war" against a Styx-free and hanger-wiped m2s.  This did not lead to a healthy online environment finally the blob grew and grew -> metastasizing to other corps in the process.

This has to stop for the health of the game.

Your dear leader attempted to stop Styx from ruining this game.  Finally the devs stepped in and stopped him.  But now your dear leader has become that which he has hated and fought against for so long.  But it wont be a dev which destroys NovaBlob... instead the blob will implode on itself.