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For how much longer are we going to have to put up with a wasted bot bonus on the Gropho? It is mindboggling that this issue remains after 1 year of Perpetuum.
Arguments have been made previously. Gropho is a combat mech, it, you know, fires weapons. It can't do that while the shield is up. The shield has very limited uses, it should be a specialised module and not part of the main bonus.
/Rantoff.
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Haha, ever tried toggeling the shield on and off to fire your weapons?
Your also not constantly being called primary by all the enemy fleet, the occasional bit of damage doesn't matter as much as being able to soak up that damage long enough to get energy transfers on you.
I love the shield bonus.
Shield cycle 5s. Weapon cycle on a mech with range extenders more than 5 
Haha, ever tried toggeling the shield on and off to fire your weapons?
Your also not constantly being called primary by all the enemy fleet, the occasional bit of damage doesn't matter as much as being able to soak up that damage long enough to get energy transfers on you.
I love the shield bonus.
So the gropho shield bonus should stay because it has one use, for when you're primaried in pvp fleet combat? What about the people who arn't using in that situation? Which is most of them, or people who simply won't use the gropho atall because they don't want to use a shield.
Taking away the shield bonus also doesn't stop you from using shield in pvp fleet combat, it just won't be quite as good. But whatever bonus they replace it with could be useful to you and everyone else too.
Men, what the hell with all those balance and change reclamations. There are more important things to think for devs than your little feeling about shield bonus not being useful.
I was blue, i rerolled green. I LOVE the gropho, I LOVE the shield bonus. In fact it saved my gropho MK2 and its ridiculous cost more than once. Learn to micromanage and youll find its the best bonus for gropho, and it can give you a serious edge in pve/pvp. 100% LIKE the gropho bonus. Dont change plz.
You CAN use the shield while doing dmgs. With the proper extensions and enough tuners, you can go under the 5s shield cycle time. Dont change it please. In fact dont change anything from now on about balancing. You DEVS lost too much time with individual requests, i want this, i want that, this is not good, ect... Just consider when something is REALLY OP or really useless, and i dont see anything in game corresponding to that definition.
Peoples will ALWAYS have something to whine about, because everyone want everything that fits them gameplay style.
In fact, those kind of behaviors shows a will to bend the game to ones personal taste; while the logic would be the players adapt to the rules the DEVS and their vision of the game produce.
Concentrate on POS, terraforming, content. DONT cater to the "im never happy with what i have" crowd because there will always be one. If i was to decide something on this forum i would temporarily (until big content/feature/game mechanism patch) close "feature request" and "balancing". Its simply not the time for this. 95% of gropho users are absolutely happy (ok i created this stat out my arse but you got the point) with shield bonus. Why change it then?
I use shield and missile, i use them at the same time, and i like it. I like the way you made it. Just wanted to say that. Because the peoples happy with something rarely or never come to forum to say it. Leaving you with a false "community taste" impression.
I have QQed several times on the forum. It was always after a big gameplay change. I didnt "created" the problem. I came to QQ for something i liked that got changed, and adapted my playstyle. What you do is even worst, due to your personal taste you want to change the game for everyone, forcing me to come here to defend my gropho with its shield bonus that is perfectly right and balanced and useful. Dont like shields? Blue and yellow will welcome you with open arms...
Shaedys wrote:Haha, ever tried toggeling the shield on and off to fire your weapons?
Your also not constantly being called primary by all the enemy fleet, the occasional bit of damage doesn't matter as much as being able to soak up that damage long enough to get energy transfers on you.
I love the shield bonus.So the gropho shield bonus should stay because it has one use, for when you're primaried in pvp fleet combat? What about the people who arn't using in that situation? Which is most of them, or people who simply won't use the gropho atall because they don't want to use a shield.
Taking away the shield bonus also doesn't stop you from using shield in pvp fleet combat, it just won't be quite as good. But whatever bonus they replace it with could be useful to you and everyone else too.
Every third bonus on heavy mechs is currently a tanking bonus, should it then get an armour rep bonus?
Should the mesmer get a shield bonus because some people don't want to use an armour rep?
The gropho can have a mighty tank with the shield bonus, thats why its there.
Just consider when something is REALLY OP or really useless, and i dont see anything in game corresponding to that definition. ...
How do you distinguish from that which is REALLY OP and that which is within acceptable if people don't complain?
How do you distinguish from that which is REALLY OP and that which is within acceptable if people don't complain?
You begin by looking at what you produced with COMMON SENSE.
You test, you internally balance, apply then you consider if the majority is ok with it. The problem is, theres no poll that every player have to answer, so youll never know the exact true feeling of the whole perp playerbase.
Consider the problem the other way around:
There will ALWAYS be QQer. Does that mean a real perfect balance can never be achieved? The answer is no.
As pelistial pilot, i agree with Shaedys: shield bonus on gropho is very powerful. I will not put this topic into the deep math, but believe me that i got a lot of fights where shielded gropho was an important factor.
But also, this bonus have some negative moments: this bonus is forcing gropho to fit longrange fits, and be depend of frontline tanks or supports.
Replacing shield bonus with appropriate cap recharge bonus should put gropho in line with other warfare pelistials, should keep longrange builds as effective ones, and to allow us to fit effective closerange builds.
wtf, not again.
whats next?
the kains turret fallof bonus does not fit with its role as hit and run mech?
the kain MK2 has an accumulator bonus, which it doesnt need?
the intakt has not the same bonus as the zenith, while the cammy and vaga do share same bonus?
the waspish has a missile range bonus that no other green bot has?
the logistic bots got a resist bonus, while they all just use shields, how useless...
all industrial heavy mechs do have a prismatic resist bonus, while smalls bots and mechs got a geoscanner (miner) or demob-resist (harvester)
I really want to change to missiles, im sitting with all my ep on another account and i cant make a decision yet. I just want it to PVE with a gropho, but the shield bonus puts me off and I never seen a shield tanked gropho on alpha either, never tried it out so I don't know if switching shields on and off is for me.
Celebro: all depend on your playstyle, but believe me, i resetted from blue to green, and from a pve (i do many of this so i can say ive some knowledge) standpoint, gropho is far superior to mesmer. Maybe your dps will be lower, but everything else is simpler. Acc management, LOS, range etc... Im so happy i took this decision, cause i now enjoy (well the word is a bit too much) pve more than ever. Its more cool, less stress, less micromanagement (except if your using actively the shield), in fact simpler. Oh and also, im solo pveer, so i got for example ganked once in a mesmer. I can assure you that if the same situation happen now with my gropho, i wouldnt have died at 500m of the island main terminal. Shield switching IS hard to manage, and consume a big part of your attention. But its sooo strong. No way to get killed against same level opponent except from drainers/neuters
wtf, not again.
whats next?
the kains turret fallof bonus does not fit with its role as hit and run mech?
the kain MK2 has an accumulator bonus, which it doesnt need?
the intakt has not the same bonus as the zenith, while the cammy and vaga do share same bonus?
the waspish has a missile range bonus that no other green bot has?
the logistic bots got a resist bonus, while they all just use shields, how useless...
all industrial heavy mechs do have a prismatic resist bonus, while smalls bots and mechs got a geoscanner (miner) or demob-resist (harvester)
All mk2 mechs have an accumulator bonus.
All MK2 "assault" mechs does
the kains turret fallof bonus does not fit with its role as hit and run mech?
This is something i'd like to see changed, but i can't think of a suitable alternative right now, the falloff bonus is garbage.
i think i have barely 100m falloff , the only way i can see it being semi-useful is using the medium autocannons which have 235-250m or so base falloff, not something i want to do though.
So, the bot with the bonus is substantially worse then other bots of its class?
Some bonuses may be crap for a reason and it should be examined if replacing the bonus would unbalance the bot.
oops
Celebro: all depend on your playstyle, but believe me, i resetted from blue to green, and from a pve (i do many of this so i can say ive some knowledge) standpoint, gropho is far superior to mesmer. Maybe your dps will be lower, but everything else is simpler. Acc management, LOS, range etc... Im so happy i took this decision, cause i now enjoy (well the word is a bit too much) pve more than ever. Its more cool, less stress, less micromanagement (except if your using actively the shield), in fact simpler. Oh and also, im solo pveer, so i got for example ganked once in a mesmer. I can assure you that if the same situation happen now with my gropho, i wouldnt have died at 500m of the island main terminal. Shield switching IS hard to manage, and consume a big part of your attention. But its sooo strong. No way to get killed against same level opponent except from drainers/neuters
Thanks Cobalt for all your help, the Gropho is awesome 
more bots is also a big feature, more choices more people happy, with only one choice i can understand if some people complain and want something different.
Alternative would be a way to customize your bot by plugin the bonuses you like. With paint job would be fine.
the Gropho is awesome
I knew you would love it
For how much longer are we going to have to put up with a wasted bot bonus on the Gropho? It is mindboggling that this issue remains after 1 year of Perpetuum.
Arguments have been made previously. Gropho is a combat mech, it, you know, fires weapons. It can't do that while the shield is up. The shield has very limited uses, it should be a specialised module and not part of the main bonus.
/Rantoff.
Your a Idiot.
Really have you even used the gropho in any real PVP setting...
Going to say no.
Whats really mind boggling is the fact that you are not willing to think outside the box at all.
Sigh...lets just make them all the same color with all the same bonus's that way no one is left out in the cold with there shield's up.
Stupid people who have never PVP'ed in them want it changed...err
I MAD...very MAD
Haha, ever tried toggeling the shield on and off to fire your weapons?
Your also not constantly being called primary by all the enemy fleet, the occasional bit of damage doesn't matter as much as being able to soak up that damage long enough to get energy transfers on you.
I love the shield bonus.
I can see Purgatory's problem. It must be hard to toggle shield and weapons in time when you are farming using six accounts at the same time. Why don't we just let grophos shoot through shields so that he doesn't need to worry about such trivial things?
purgatory - thinking outside the box?
thats like an arkhe with medium laser...
MEDIUM AUTOCANNON BAPH MK2
It's the BEST PVP robot every.
Shaedys wrote:Haha, ever tried toggeling the shield on and off to fire your weapons?
Your also not constantly being called primary by all the enemy fleet, the occasional bit of damage doesn't matter as much as being able to soak up that damage long enough to get energy transfers on you.
I love the shield bonus.I can see Purgatory's problem. It must be hard to toggle shield and weapons in time when you are farming using six accounts at the same time. Why don't we just let grophos shoot through shields so that he doesn't need to worry about such trivial things?
LOLS sure thing.
Give them a DPS bonus too if they fit a shield...would make me happy.
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