Mara,

I had written a nice rebuttal to your posts #103 and #104 but you edited them heavily so I have to change my response.

I can tell you this -> the biggest reason why people run in Kains in roams is so that if they have to run away they have a better chance of survival.  Besides Kains speed is not needed for tackling, that's what the e-war mix is for.

A number of our leaders at m2s know how to retreat properly making the tyrannos and artemis viable options (we try our best not to let anyone get strung back).  If other leaders learn how to retreat orderly there should be no problem roaming in the slower mechs.

Ok, another point -> If the speed advantage is not enough that a Kain has to take 3, 4, 5+ volleys from the enemy before it's in locking and firing range then it's not fast enough.

BTW, in response to your #103 post before you edited it:

Back in Nov of 2010, I had no idea of the relative speeds, firepower, etc. of any of the factions (I was not a beta player).  The reason I chose the Kain (or numquol more precisely) was not because the Kain was fast, it was because I thought the blue colored bots looked cool.

Looks like you are looking at the wrong role models (this IS your problem).  Here at m2s we regularly take out mixed groups of mechs on roams.

Well Purgatory looks like you just lack the vision to make a Tyrannos Mk2 worthwhile over the Mk1.

I would just suggest for you to just stick with the regular Tyrannos and Gropho.  I'm sure once these Mk2 mechs are fielded more often you will learn good Mk2 fits and their uses from our PO community.

Now see there, you made a decent argument.  There are reasons to use both the Tyrannos mk2 and the gropho for different reasons.

Well I don't agree with you, lets go through your points:
1. COST: a fully kitted out gropho and Tyrannos mk2 will cost practically the same. (not a good reason)
2. 50% MORE DPS: Yes, a good reason to use a gropho
3. and 4. OPTIMAL/LOCKING RANGE:  This is actually one point not two as you can't do one without the other (a good reason).

So really you have listed 2 points for a gropho and I have listed 5 for a tyrannos mk2.  Doesn't look like the gropho really has the upper hand as you had claimed earlier.

Purgatory, looks like you just need to fit your TyrMK2 differently.  Like someone else posted he was able to easily fit his with low fitting skills.

For me in a KainMK2 there are a combination of fits that would never work and that's fine. I can still build a KainMK2 a number of ways that still works. 

You should do the same for your TyrMK2, don't try to force a fit that obviously is too cpu intensive, be flexible and you will find fits that will work.

I disagree with you, and unfortunately you are not alone in your thinking.

Even within m2s there are guys that get trolled for having "fail-fits" (even I was trolled several months ago but that has stopped now). I have found that there are pilots out there that get inventive and build some devastating mechs (specialty role) that are not typical in fits.

If such a fit requires a cpu booster in the head to make work then who are you (or anyone else for that matter) to say it's "fail".

Also, to make any pvp fit/mech work it's 50% the fitting itself and 50% is how you use the mech/fittings on the field.

Vagabonds don't get any range bonus, although I wish they did, even a small one would be nice.

It was all made possible due to two things:
1) our Workers' Paradise environment
2) our Dear Leader

They are manufactured.

We have been using them for about a month (give or take) on intrusions.  They haven't dropped from me cause I haven't been dropped yet  .

What I would like if islands are added is to get the the wild wild west feel like in the 1700's and 1800's in the US west.

Untamed, lawless islands with no outposts (except maybe those built by players).  Lots of good mining (maybe even spontaneously growing Noralgis) and good spawns to attract the industrialists which in turn draw all kinds of pvpers.

Good stuff.

Considering one can earn many millions in beta I would say the module is stupid cheap. 

Container: You are using your own #2 Distraction Tactics to hide the fact that no one is on here to defend your own point of view.

WASD has nothing to do with the issue.  People complain about speed in EVE just like you are doing it here.

In EVE some ships warp faster than others to those bookmarks (acceleration to 75%, turn/alignment rate, warp speed AU/sec).  Again, speed, speed, speed.

EVE has scramblers Perpetuum has demobilizers

In perpetuum, you can stack lighter modules for more speed (or no mods for great speed boosts), combat is typically around points/center of mass as well.

Not so fast, it also boils down to how you fit your bot. You can get up to a 40% speed spread just in bot fittings due to the module weights.

The MORE relevant comparison is that in Perpetuum itself m2s has more classes of ships enjoying roaming than AXE does.

Infestation uses mech-class bots for roaming.  As a matter of fact that's all i like to go out in anymore.

Maybe the problem isn't the speed difference between bots as much as your own or your corp/alliance inability to use the bigger bots effectively in roams.