Taken from http://www.perpetuum-online.com/Changelog:2011-08-25

Means some fast to kill high tier NPC drob less Plasma then before (EW-lights and EW-Mech NPC are effected most espezialy if they drob/use LWF).

But in the same patch random-spawns are included which are fun and lucrativ .

First off yes, inviting people (like me) to join is the way to get more people to Beta (and maybe PvP).

As I said, I would like to test your Corp ... but you should understand, that my Corp and it's Allys wouldn't be happy about it .

And that's the hole point.

All I see is "we need beta only stuff to force people into Beta" or "we need a way PvE-Player are forced to pass PvP land".

Aren't my real Euros as good as yours?
Why should I get just half the stuff you get for the same price?
Is there a 50% offer which I missed for people who don't like to PvP but still want to play the game as Producers without limits?

I except, that you CAN make much more money on Beta ... and I am fine with it.

I can not except, that there some of you try hardcore to make stuff Beta ONLY!

Like Epriton atm.
Yes, I was angry about the T1 change ... but I have to gratulate the DEVs. With the Rare-Ores and the CHANGS to get Epri as Highsec miner, they did a good work.

It is very limited, but you CAN survive in a very small scale without Beta! I take this handycap by my own decision!

Again, I pay the same Euro as you do.
If I pass some content by my free will ... FINE.
But it is a absolut and 100% NO GO to cap parts of the game (like this very stupid "T4 beta only production"). Alpha only players are allready handycaped by T2-Industrie!

PS: and you can be sure, when I am forced to go to Beta (as I can't build T4 on alpha any more for excample) ... I stop playing this game.
And I will not be the only one.

Haha, yea, this MUST come. Allways the same "you know nothink" when arguments are missing.
I was part of enogh fleets/gangs to know how they work. And that's where I too learned to HATE them. Sorry, you lost.
And no, you can't provide anythink new to this. It started in DAoC or even earlier. Some wannabes claim "we want PvP" and ever time you see them they just gang solos, far wors geared or helpless industrials. You NEVER see them fight equal targets!
So just shut up with all this wannabe mini Rambo bullshit! There is noone left who belives you anyway anymore.

Beta HAS enough advantages and Beta HAS far more reward then Alpha!
There is NO need to buff Beta even more or nerf Alpha!

If you want more people on Beta -> PROTECT THEM!

You know? BUFF SAFTY
Player made content ... ups no, you don't want this, you just want eazi targetz ...

There is no need to add risk at all for someone who DO NOT LIKE IT.

All your aiming to FORCE them into PvP is to get easy targets for your e-peen-boards.

It's getting old. Every second week a new "nerf alpha buff beta" thread pops up.
And a point ALL of them miss is: 50% of the Alpha carebares are Alt Chars from Beta players!

I remember a poster, who addmited, that he has ONE 00 Char which was carried by 13 (!!) highsec chars in EvE.

So best way to get more Chars to Beta: move your damn alt from Alpha to Beta!

I live on Hersh. Most Agents I see there are CIR, NeX, FOOM and all the other "we are Beta" Corps. Get off of my Alpha and move your ... to your damn Beta!
This will fix YOUR Beta problem (which is no problem at all).

And this is your biggest mistake.

Beta allready has advantages over Alpha! And they are big enough to make people want them.

What holds new players (or guys like me) off off Beta is:
I either want to PvE OR PvP ... I don't want to be shot in the back while fighting with Tier 4+++ NPC.

So (and this is only for me) what would be needed to bring me (personal only!) to Beta is more safty ... NOT more reward!

And this safty could be provided by Players. No change by any DEV had to be made!

I said it many times and I say it again: Player bringt Player to Beta (PvP) - NOT BUFFS OR NERFS!

Risk right now is diing every hour by random gang.
Higher rewards bring more people.
Risk then is diing every 30 minutes by random gang.
Higher rewards bring more people.
Risk then is diing every 15 minutes by random gang.

After some time you will die every time you try to shot an NPC.
And then? Add rewards for any hit you can land on an NPC? With 10 hits you earned enough money to buy a new Mesmer MK2 with equip?

Sure, you allways die ... the higher risk is to die more frequently.

Elementar and simple understanding of the mechanic.

Sorry but this is plain wrong.

More reward means more risk as more people try to earn the better reward.

And then? Add even MORE reward so even MORE people want it and you get MORE risk?

End with ONLY reward on Beta with EVERYONE want this reward and you have JUST risk?

In german it's called "Teufelskreis". Once you add this more reward the risk will rice too. Adding again more reward to compansate the new gained risk will just rise the risk even more.

This didn't work in EvE and it will not work here!

You try to hardcore nerf Alpha and I as pur Alpha player should be silence?

Gogo, bring more stupid idears.

PS: Some tip how to get more people to Beta
- do NOT gang every solo NPC-Corp guy but ask him if he like to join you
- do NOT flame every one who don't like PvP but ask him, if he provides you with mats/equip/bots if you TRY to protect him
- if you notice a new corp with few members try to ally them and provide them with prototypes if they join Beta

best advice: BE MORE FRIENDLY

You are right, there aren't to many posible fit for an Arbalest ... but 3 slots are 3 slots.
The 3 low slots from a Rifter are pritty much static too. Not many alternations with it.

And even with Geddons or Apocs where you have 7/8 low slots there aren't many choices (and many times you have fix fittings from your corp/ally you MUST use).

For the variation of bots ... the game is still fresh. If you do the comparision ... do it with EvE 2003 when it was fresh too.
Refaring to this: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Eve_Expansions Tech 2 ships had been introduced with the first BIG content update called "CASTOR" 6 month after release (and there are still missing some T2 like Tier 2 Battlecruser (Drake, Harbinger, etc)).

PS:
Most expensive Mech:
Mesmer MK2 with full T4 PROTOTYPE equip .
Have fun getting your hand on T4P guns and repper.

Assuming you start with Nimqol 3 PerpetuumPlanner says you need ~32 days for Nimqol 8 (which is needed for the normal Messmer), then from 8 to 10 (MK2) it takes another 63 days.
This does not include Basic and Advanced Robotics.

As I have more rounded base stats (20/20/11/9/11/10) let it be 28 days and 58 days. Both times it's much more then "2 weeks" and then you spend no singel point in CPU/Reaktor/Energy/Weapon extensions.

This includes, you do not have basic EM weapons at 5 which you need to learn advanced EM -> you can't even fit medium EMs .

To do easy 3. tier mechs ... well, have fun just with small EMs, 145m optimal and no energy .

Funny.

I just use Arbalest and smaler bots atm but even at 150 to 200m I get problems with plants, buildings and terrain .... you can to call me woodworker as I killed hole forrests allready just to get a free line of sight .

Don't like to know how damn hard it is, to hit stuff at 600+ WITHOUT shoting the dirt .

Well, add different Epriton Based Materials to the 3 different collored perfect fragments and I'm fine.

At the moment perfect fragments contain 8 units of material in total (4+4). Replacing 1 of the non-Epri-based materials with a Epri-Based material could work. But as this is a to small amount to somehow make it work with an extension, that adds 1% quality/level, high quality refining would need a rework. But atm I can't imagin any posible change .

Base recycling of 1 high quality material peer fragment maybe? High quality refining now adds 1% to all refinings and at level 5 it doubles the emount of high quality Material you get from Fragments?
So max you would get is 2 Espit/Briochit/Aligor peer perfect fragment if you have high quality recycling 5. .... not realy much but still a way to get this materials if you want to do it.

Or instead of complex materials you put Epriton in the fragments (4 common material + 10000 Epriton) starting with a base recycle of 100 Epriton rising the amount to 1100 with high quality recycling 10. Then you don't even need to change the extension and 1100 Epri is a REALY low amount!
Since I play I collected around 6k prefect fragments (all collors together) ... that's 60000 Epri ... nothink a Beta miner has to worry about! It's my farming work of 3 weeks! Around 20k Epri/week ... realy REALY low amount compared to what is needed.

I place a bet Espitium will rise to 3k+ buyorders (if there are any at all anymore) and Epriton will go to 18+ if it is removed from all T1 items without propper replacement.