I did.

The difference of course being that we both know I can go through your posts and point out several examples of each, while you're just hurling mud and hoping it will stick. You could stretch my disdain for your lack of coherence into ad hominem I suppose.

Doh Time for a new alt!

Anyway, for Slugys: I would suggest you put a few in advanced robotics and improved armor repair, add an erp (look under engineering on the market) and some repair tunings. As a blue pilot it's not too difficult to reach a point where you can repair 2 damage for 1 ap on small repairers. With the correct erp you can then run as many repairers as you need to, permanently. Today I was running 3 to farm blue bots since they put out quite a bit of damage. I wouldn't suggest hitting blue bots though, go for green. Hardeners don't work very well in such a setup, since they actually cost ap to run, unlike the repairers*. They'll be useful again once you get into a mesmer or kain mk2, since once you have 3 repairers running, the hardener provides more benefit to your armor bar than another repairer would. As your extensions improve it is actually possible to reach a point where you can run medium repairers like this too, at least as blue. Not sure for the others, but it's doubtful. Fitting tool tells me that one day I'll be able to repair about 3-3.5k of any type of damage every second without touching my accumulator Oh, and don't use medium guns on small targets. Ignore the bot bonus.

If you prefer to use the assault, throw on 5 guns, a repairer, maybe a sensor amp or two, and any weapon tunings you can fit. Then just try to keep too many of them from locking you at once. You'll kill faster but spend more time running around, locking targets, repairing and recharging. It's probably more efficient since you'll save a bit on ammo costs. Although you lose some of the fun factor when people walk past and pause for a moment to watch you tanking a whole spawn.

With high enough fitting skills you can farm tank style in an assault too. You'll still lose some damage from fitting repairer tunings instead of weapon tunings (although if you needed sensor amps when kiting you're not losing anything here since you don't need them for tanking), but less than you lose in the mech. There's also less room for repairers, but it won't be a big deal if you're farming targets with weak damage against you.

*Hardeners can be useful if you're super lazy like me, as a sort of 'half repairer'. If the mobs aren't putting out enough damage to keep your accumulator high enough to permanently run a second or third repairer, but they're outdamaging the first one or two repairers, swapping that second or third repairer for a hardener may even it out so you don't have to bother turning that repper on and off according to your current needs. You can just leave the first repper (or two) and the hardener running permanently.

I'm an alt. I enjoy these kinds of discussions and often find myself not on the party line. Rather than alienate my corp and allies, I try for anonymity.

I was just making a tea and it occured to me that selling epriton, while a risk, could potentially pay off quite well for the largest corps. No one who needs to buy epriton is going to threaten them, so they're really just destabilising their potential enemies by arming their enemies, at no net cost to themselves. Yes, there are issues with being publicly tied to it if discovered, and of course you can't sell on the open market because you have no control over who is buying, but it's there, so I was definitely wrong on that. My stupidity

Yeah that's what I said Norrdec, bad corps and stupid people. Not the most reliable sources. Certainly not enough to go to war over an outpost with anyone who controls an outpost. Still, you can always run through the gate and log out of sight of the guard to come back later and steal some epri. Or kill the guard and do the same. As I said, I'm mostly just concerned that almost every change seems to increase the barrier to entry. This one in particular doesn't bother me, again, like I said, just using it as an example.

@Rodger

Australians speak English. Australian English if you like. His argument has been better than yours, signed, someone who disagrees with his argument. I can't wait either. Yes, I noticed, as I mentioned, did you read what you quoted, or only the section you're currently quoting? None of those changes will affect the flow of epriton to alpha. No, it doesn't, it promotes reduced pvp, as I mentioned in the very sentence you decided to quote two words out of. He has the numbers, anyone who has thought about it and researched it a little bit has also seen the numbers, most people don't like pvp, I do. You already quoted the section referring to this, why don't you go read it again.

There is no plethora! See, I can argue with the strawman by selectively quoting too. Go me, now everyone knows I'm right. Plethoras don't even exist!

@Norrdec

It's a valid point, I'd counter with the fact that ninja mining is pretty easy right now, I'd expect that to stop as things progress. I may be wrong, but it's not something I'd leave to chance, especially when the rational decision is to avoid selling it no matter how you obtain it. If you want pvp activity, you need people who can pvp competitively. Guys who can't build decent mods, mechs, or heavies are not exactly going to be taking over half the map. You want people to get involved, they need to be able to do it on a reasonably level playing field.

70% of 10 is not very much compared to 7% of 1000. Now I'm hoping that you're just pushing an agenda, otherwise I would lose what little faith in the human ability to reason I have left.

IDK, maybe english isn't your primary language. To me it was extremely obvious that he was highlighting the fact that if someone with 300k EP gets so little espitium, someone with 40k is going to get even less. I guess if you somehow missed that (as I said, perhaps you're not a native english speaker), it would be a bit difficult to find anyone coherent so long as that's the language being used.

Besides which, I don't quite understand how someone discussing a new point could possibly impact your ability to read what they're saying. Really? It's hard to read what he says because he said something different?

I don't know about that Arga. ATM there are advantages to letting neutrals use your territory (not that anyone has realised or is taking advantage of that, but it's beside the point). Post changes, if you're anywhere near someones outpost, you're automatically a hostile (again, this is currently the case, but through player behaviour, not game mechanics).

How many outposts have no owner right now? Looks like people want them to me. Now they'll have to live there if they want to hold them too. Plus:

"getting paid when other groups use the outpost"
"block other corporations from entering"
"high discounts for services"
"maximum relation benefits"
"lock the Outpost docking mechanism"
"Aura-type bonuses"

On top of higher level facilities plus fast access to epriton, t4-5 kernels, higher level decoders from ratting and better artifact sites. There's a long list of advantages to outpost ownership. If you can't figure out a way to use them effectively that's not the games fault.

There needs to be a balance between enough incentive to take one, and so much incentive that you can't take one unless you have one.

So say 'I think shortening the range was a mistake and has led to an imbalance' rather than 'b-b-b-but you said missiles would be medium range'. It's hard to get a productive discussion going if you base it on information that is months out of date.

If you feel green mechs are not strong enough, and can provide some reasoning for that, say so. If you feel green mechs are not strong enough because a few months ago someone may have said they would be stronger, there's not really much to talk about is there? Obviously as they've watched the game, the LOS advantage of missiles has stood out to them as being stronger than they originally expected, and they're working to counteract it.

Personally I think the 'things devs actually said' to 'things players infer devs were trying to say' ratio tends to be very poor in most games anyway, so the least you could do is provide a quote if you really want to argue your case that way.