Prepare

To be frank a group of sub 2 month old toons wont have the lock times or ECM power to stop me from wiping  a group of 10-15 with 2-3 people.

3 months they would need some solid direction and well spent EP with proper gear.

What I dont want is for a player like me to hold NC and Dana and then 30-40 players come to siege my island from me and I am able to do the following.

They attack NC I can bait them in and swap a entire fleet or just the necessary counter fleet from Dana to perfectly flank. Vice Versa.

As the attack vs a equiv opponent in defense they will be able to counter fit you and thus need less numbers and less desirable terrain.

If you and I went at it over NC/Dana this would not be a overly large issue. However to the general population vs the proper group this feature is just overwhelming. This would actually also be decided in 1 fight as you and I both  know we tend to dance until the other miss-steps and then we full wipe to generally not see the other want to do the dance again for a month or so.

Also Attackers have no surprise seeing as the defenders know there sap vulnerability times and there own units on the field. They also have to account for which of 3 saps and bring the necessaries for it.

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We are really starting to look at far to many factors and variables but the short is  that your average player either cannot or will not be willing to deal with the smaller faction of players who would look to leverage this feature against them.

False, The majority doesn't play this game. This is why we have a population issue. You may be able to argue you are a hardcore vs casual player but by no means are you the majority of gamers' or the "Average Gamer's"

The "majority" left STC and PO a long time ago. To suggest the 10 active guys who play still within your corp to be the "majority" is quite a statement you are making. Not trying to be harsh but seriously?

I already stated one scenario where this can be abused, who cares if a corporation can move between 10 outposts on separate sides of the world. The issue is being able to rapid-idly re-deploy within the same area by abusing this mechanic. I welcome someone to leverage a argument against or for this behavior but this is what I beleive should be resolved.

Every player should be able to instantly move to redeploy to defend persistent player objects that can be lost when undefended i.e. Gamma. I really dont think anyone is calling for this to be patched tmw but rather just discussing it. 

Point and case: there is not enough reward in putting forth the effort to prove how the system can be abused. If nothing is done till it is abused fine be it. However once again we will have somewhere to pint and say "We told you so" as it gets nerfed again as fortold.

If you go kick a bee's nest you cant get upset when 3 or 30 bee's come out. you should have taken that in to account before kicking it.

No one in there right mind should be debating that being able to instantly teleport to defend your vulnerable gamma assets should be changed.

The only time this mechanic can be abused in a way that is detrimental to the game is in regards to beta island play. However if we drill down in to the issue it is not the fact that players are able to instantly appear and deploy. It is that a force can instantly navigate to active islands and once there consistently redeploy drastically greater assets between multiple terminals on the same island.

You have to resolve this by not gimping the mechanic but simply putting up restrictions on the abusive manner it can be used.

If for example I engage your plated HM at Heydel and disengage to go to ICS-B just to have you already there in-front of me, to turn and try to move to a external gate to then have you teleport ahead of me.

You can see how this goes from being a simple feature to get you to the fight to completely controlling it.

I don't necessarily know what a proper fix would be however I do stand behind the need that regardless of the situation, being able to instantly travel to vulnerable player structures is a must.

@Martha Again the key to balancing a mechanic like this is to not prevent people from utilizing it but to not allow a minority of motivated players access to abuse it to ruin the experience for the majority.

Example: Learning how to manipulate gate timers to kill players that are in black loading screens or how to 1 shot them due to client lag through syndicate protection when gate hoping.

Identifying and reporting these things make for a better overall game, the problem is always how to best resolve them.

I am mad....

I want to log in and all die. Game is to hard. Thanks

We would need so many players to flood this game that the servers it is hosted on and the infrastructure supporting the server could not handle that volumes needed to negate the advantage we vets have.

I mean seriously I can say that with me losing 20 HM's a month for the next year wouldn't make me flinch. We saw the impact that a body of players with what appears to be infitite resources has on the active population of the game from back when m2S duped. During this time many players left because they could not mine/produce to compete with 24/7 active and able pvpers who didnt have to do the same industrial work. Only harass everyone else trying to keep up.

I mean look at the damage I alone was able to inflict on players. I took a super tank bot to camp in noobs who didnt know the mechanics to counter it. That bot was then nerfed to oblivion and that ENTIRE body of players is no longer here because the damage was done.

I like this game but I mean ask STC with out the right players who have the thought process to develop proper fits and counter fits  you will die horribly and see no light at the end of the tunnel. Not to even bring up EP differences.

Its ok, We have more forum trolls than they members online.

They are still winning the war! They have take all the beta's, destroyed all our bots we used to gather on beta and locked us out of those crucial NPC outposts and there L2-2 facilities!

Looks like we have can only go mine safely on gamma with L3 facilities.

How about we talk about if a group of players doesnt have a sufficient leader within PO they will simply flop and die due to the environment and how to address this. Because unlike every other MMO that is adding to its playerbase by making it more accessible and instant gratification we are still waiting for a patch from how many months ago?

Yeah Tux! you grind that axe.

Tux its great to know you have so many bots, It sure is a shame to hear some members wouldnt even pvp with you giving them bots. I have lots of bots to, I never get to use them since no one wants to fight me :*(

Edit: I see PO as the kids claiming to be king of the castle after recess is already over

It is always entertaining to read other perspectives and how they define events. I guess if defeat is having 49 Kills and No deaths, I am eager to see what happens when I am undefeated.

I was being serious, I would love to hear someone explain what lead to our defeat and demise.

Syndic Do you still have the logs from when one of my quotes started the Dom civil war?

I dont have them on this computer.

I mean I know you have more sense than that. The stories from on the other side of the fence really do amaze me.

For theatrics.

Took Dana: Because my *** was inside and you locked me out. (your CEO rather lock me out)
*Created eHarmony- maybe 10 people in the process*
STC+RG Pressure Alsbale for free PvP.
M2S/HUN Roam and only Alsbale are caught
Eharm, Beats STC on its own and RG on its own but cant fight you both at once.
STC took Hoop and was in togy's backyard for e z pvp.
Omen+Alsbale approached me to make a pact to help them out which we would both benefit from.
eHarm takes Hoop and drops dana for STC to be with RG in a tree. K-I-S-S... oh sorry.
Then the alsbanistans threw the agreement and We made ToG pay the price for it.

I never did like hoop but I'll cut the history lesson short just before the rise of what was NATO and The great STC migration off Dom

** Almost forgot when I started paying <12> To give us the few more we needed to beat STC+RG+(Insert cannon fodder corp) after I declared i was going after Alsbale. (After karapyth)

EDIT: I left a lot of little things out that made a lot of this happen, but we need a historian here and logs everything.