Tell that U.S. Cable provider companies , *** follow their own rules.

How does this encourage regular play?  What is my reward, not being punished for owning the outpost?

and 62nd reacted properly, Kited as it was still possible, and prevented loss to finally snag a few more kills.

You may not remember this one but this was a great fight, despite the invisible walls from messed up slope calculations resulting in many losses for both sides.

Less numbers, got the SAP, mitigated losses, moral victory.

Wish I had API access to player information.

Be very easy to quickly paint a picture of how many players are active enough to fit this activity level you all are detailing here.

I for example have no standings and for what I have been exposed to, most players don't either.

Forcing me to do PvE and mundane tasks to reach PvP is silly, I will very quickly, as most will as well, drift to what is easiest for PvP.

Wtf is this high-school click stuff?

Ill be in Europe for 5 weeks come September next year with a group. Weedy among other CIR and Euro gamers I know will be joining us for certain parts of the trip.

Start in Amsterdam - > Germany and move on from there.

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There is 13 pages and a lot of mostly non-constructive, un-tested, un-proven opinions and theory's from your side.

Most of the ex-members from your side did provide constructive theories and arguments with numbers and testing to back it up, however there are still a few shiny gems who didn't.

It is ok to take breaks from posting Jita, when you lose your logic we see these kinds of posts.

Ville is not asking for the removal of bots but proper tuning, we all know you can read and comprehend.

Tuning to be done through a number of methods for example.

A) Enable turrets attacking NPC's
        -Many have already stated the range issue on Turrets currently both for players and NPC's
B) Scale the NPC population in relation to the player population

Why you are doom and glooming this thread is.... up to you...

a Few quick notes off the top of my head with out fulling thinking this out .

Specimen saps = PITA especially if up every-time as a owner.

With no need to scan, maybe review the idea of forcing anonymous sign-ups to intrusions. This would give the player access to complete the SAP and then take loot or access the expired loot.

Unsure if just the owner should know the event time is being engaged by a enemy or if it should show as pending siege for all.

I would not trigger 3 saps and 3 sap rewards on globally published timers and give free loot.

Force a little anonymous skin in the game.

Enthusiasm?

That was not my intent with my post and you know it, I am a great story teller and could have gone into great detail.
I do have a little folder full of recordings, screenshots, and chat logs from these notable events and what lead up to them as the fuel for the fire.

What you may have failed to take away from my previous post is that, a player, when properly motivated and playing properly can achieve what they want. (Unlocking Danachrov from a corporation 30+ while solo, because they locked you out of your assets and stockpile)

The fact of the matter is that the average player, or group of average players, do not have the motivation, desire, or understanding, hell anything to walk the talk they bark.

This includes you, on a number of occasions.

Sorry if pointing this out gets your jimmies in a Russel.

So, Yes, I do not agree that simply opening a door(beta 1) and creating more ways for my 'abusive' play will be beneficial. I want to focus on this 'abuse' or 'exploit' as you like to call them and put mechanics or support in place to prevent what has happened time and time again.

I honestly cannot comment on the industrial side of time needed. I was trying to illustrate that when the players move to Beta they need to be nic/module positive in income or they will flop.

Realistically If I recall correctly a new player account can rush into being effective in a Mech or assault within 2 months quite rapidly, if not run T2 with L5's Day one.

If  a corporation has the ability to setup this structure I honestly am confident with the new missions I would/could move out there with a group of 20 or so new players and be effective and viable.

To do this they will need to have a industrial foundation to equip from (took eHarm 2 weeks to flesh ours out and probably another two to get it running full speed) Mind you during this time we burning stocks, after this 4 week time we were increasing stocks wile at the same loss level.

I am sure some recalls me not recruiting anyone until our industrial foundation was in place.

There is a lot of knowledge and organization that is required on-top of diplomacy, to not become a hot target, and live on Beta. Further more you want to limit your beta exposure as a target to not become a festering bed for anyone trying to get a kill-board pop-up.

I also think we need to clarify for everyone that buffing beta is not a direct nerf to alpha income. I think the rewards need to scale but players need to be capable of achieving a industrial foundation of support for bots/ modules. (I hope some industrials can comment on the time or requirements for this, I have always had channels for obtaining CT's via diplomacy, at times from enemies and have no perspective of the hurdles faced here)