Purgatory wrote:

Price of 1st star kernals is irrevelent, the rest of the kernals have doubled, even tripled in price. The current kernal situation does not work.

I'm speaking as someone who can already make many T4 items including almost everything that comes from green and yellow kernals of all sizes.

So, because you no longer need these, they aren't relevant?

Please look at the WHOLE system and not just the top-end when your suggesting changes.

Why has the top-end pricing doubled/Trippled? Because 8 months into the game, there are now more independant producers with the NIC to purchase those same kernels.

AC doesn't WANT everyone making T4 stuff, they didn't just nerf kernels, they added Briochit and made epitron an ore instead of a liquid.

Your not fighting me, your fighting the Dev's on this, and right now I'm not seeing any changes that would indicate they want tiered items to be any more accessable.

The fact that as a small or solo producer, you "can already make many T4 items including almost everything that comes from green and yellow kernals of all sizes" only 9 months after the game was released, is not working in your favor.

I would say that as a non-beta corp, if you can complete the tree in a year, that's about right.

70% of the population is still less than a month old. NeX is not a communist corp, when they get to beta Island, I'll bet you that the number of beta-kernels on the market jumps dramatically. Simply when 70% of the current population is capable of farming the kernel's you need, they'll become more available.

I've said before, and maybe even in this thread "The game can't be balanced around the players on the leading edge."

Those are only available on Beta, and the corps farming need them internally. They will never be worth selling, as the past has shown that it's never a good idea to have only 1 prototyper. Any alpha corp going over to ninja-farm, is only going to farm 5th star's for internal use too, again it's not worth selling them at any price, since the return on having a character that can make T4 medium weapons (among other Med. items) is worth more then the short term NIC gain.

Basically, if you want them you have to farm them yourself, or offer some stuipd large amount of NIC per kernel.

The drop rate isn't really the problem, it's just not in any bets corp's interest to sell kernels; and there are very few corp members that can solo the 5 star groups to sell them on the side, not to mention it being THE mortal sin.

"Thou shall not sell they kernels."

I'd be careful with the histrionics. If you don't keep it sensible and logical, they may just decide the appropriate solution is to nerf tyrannos recharge.

you know what? resist on the seth would be a very bad thing too.

and the whole topic here is based on something that probably wont ever happen....

Purgatory wrote:

Annihilator wrote:

a gropho with recharge bonus on maxed extension could permarun three medium repair modules...

like a Tyrannos atm too - with the difference that the Gropho has:
30% more hitpoints to buffer,
1 more headslot for additional repair tuning
1 more legslot for ERP / injector /accumulator / Resist
50% more offensive potential
60% more Buffer Accumulator

and unlike other heavy mechs - it doesnt really need more AP for its two more weapons.
if you compare it to other heavy mechs, the difference in average consumed AP increase vs. average recharged AP is way better when you look at Tyrannos<>Gropho then Artemis<>Seth

also, smaller accumulator can have advantages too, especially with a recharge bonus on it.

So a dev tested the new recharge bonus gropho on the test server with all level 10 extensions and it could NOT run even 2 medium repairers, and now you're here saying it can run 3? Don't post incorrect information.

Small accumulator is somehow better with a recharge bonus? Your logic is failing hard once again.

Could not even run 2 medium repairers!?!?!?!?!?! No bot or mech can do this currently, without either energy injectors or remote energy transfer, nor should they be able to.

Let's look at this again.  Total weapon usage of 6x T4 medium launchers running continuously, as the Gropho currently is,  is 1.43 AP per sec, with an AP recharge of 4.5 AP per sec.

That is a net gain of approx. 3 AP per sec. (unique to heavy mechs, the only one with a base recharge net gain during continuous weapon fire.)

6x T4 lasers consume 51.5 AP per sec
6x T4 EM Guns consume 35.3 AP per sec.
6x T4 Autocannons consume 1.43 AP per sec.

The higher accumulator size on the other mechs is due to their native weapon systems ( firearms are a terran introduction, not used by the natives, per the backstory).  So the Gropho has a longer recharge time, but starts off with an AP gain vs weapon fire, Seth and Mesmer have a higher AP recharge, but burn AP 25.5x to 35.5 times faster than the Gropho's missle launches.

No one has stated wht the accum or recharge on the test server was, so there is no data to run calculations.  Also, it might just work out to have the same recharge it currently has. 

Also, considering the native bonus of the Gropho, shield absorption, why would one even attempt an active armor setup with 1 repper, never mind 2?  Logically, a shield tank, with rechargers or energy injector would be the normal configuration.  Jacking up the recharge rate would serve no purpose other than making that tank even stronger, with a weapon AP burn of only 1.43 AP per sec.