BE SPECIFIC PEOPLE....MK1's Are Extremely easy to kill....MK2's are the tanky variation, and those can be killed.

Alex - "With all respect to kain pilots, 1 Kain can kill shielded tyr easily with DPS. Just think a bit how."

TRUE - But for some reason people don't believe it!!

As to compare this to the Troiar Mk2, yea lets throw that out there as a excuse when they have LITTLE to no common line at all.

Hell if people are wanting a small change, and yes I MEAN SMALL change, lower the acc recharge skill value by 1% per lvl. Start SMALL and work up.

Right now Tank is all the Tyr MK2 has, that's it.

Wha!!!! Speed KILLS, WHO WOULDA THOUGHT.

We might have to dumb down our posts even more so Indy gets it.

+1  May of these wonderfully stupid suggestions have no idea what you can actually do to counter a shield.  Sure lets make the ictus overpowered that will clearly make everything ok.

A lot of this is stems from just plain ignorance of how to fit, or the fittings that are involved.

Yea this would really provide a great reason for vets NOT to re-sub there accounts.

Actually I was pointing out the flaw of how many you get per Token on a per color basis...EI: Green is the most Eff, followed by Blue, and then far behind is Red.

I was merely pointing out the mis-balancing of above said.

I do appreciate you pointing out the fact that the mods ON the bot are worth more then said bot, that's all good

On a sellers stand point red is awesome on a buyers standpoint there is a problem.  You need 3x more as the other factions.

Edit:

I took a closer look, and it seems to be a bit more messed up then what I had originally thought.

At a average Price of 50k Per Token (should be player set price no doubt)
Red Med Ammo - 5,357 Per Round   - 2,571,428 Per Mech
Green Med Ammo - 15,000 Per Round - 1,800,000 Per Mech
Blue Med Ammo - 6,666.66 Per Round - 1,333,332  Per Mech

Hm, more studying will have to go into this subject.
As those should be more relatively in line with each other.

The sky is falling to...

And there was actually a wolf there I swear.

....

What we really need are bots within bots. 

And so it would be called botception!!!

That list that is post above has all sorts of flaws, mainly in the fact that its based around PVE and very little experience of PVP, and yet most of the arguments are based in a PVP based scenario.

(Dev's have already shown the new teir system just not in yet.)

The main "***" point about all of this is people want to make it easier to play the game, I have some wonderful news for you, the game is hard, its hard when you start out its hard when you are a vet, vets get killed just as easy as the rest of us.  Your main argument is based on stupidity, not of yourself, but of the noob players that are well...err playing the game.  Its out of shear ignorance that they don't know how to fit a bot, how to fit a mining or harvester.  Its not the games fault or game mechanics fault, its called being new.

This dumb idea that you automatically CANT PVP unless you have a T4 frame is COMPLETE BS.  The main reason being is that you have simply NO idea what fits are being used, and at what speeds.  You are not in the PVP arena, you don't know how, and the strategy were actively using.  This is a paper vs reality problem.  You think you know how it should be done, but they way your wanting PVP to be based around is in the past, way in the past.

The main thing is, a lot of the "problems" just stem from being ignorant.  That is not a balance issue its a human issue.

I would assume as its basically the same thing, I compare them as thats the only way you can do...yes they had 5 mods instead of what the DEV's have said of 3.  You get the idea.

What I do not want is something that is accessable to lower skilled players.

Ok, Ok let me back trace that a little bit.  In EVE they had orginally said they would have cruisers and frigs all T3, the cruisers happened the frigs did not (least to my information have not played in a bit), so one would assume the reason they didn't put frigs in is because of balancing issues with the other frigs in that line.

This is something I would rather see happen in Perp, I would like them to start at a mid line level (Assults, possibly mechs, as mechs basically = cruisers) and then work backwards, so that the newer, NOT new players can enjoy and get a taste of whats really out there.

They have to be pricey as that is basically the only way to balance them, should they be OP?  Only in the eyes of the players at first then counters will come up.

The real trick is putting them into the game without making all of there other SET mechs basically crap, and at a price where they are NOT all over the place everywhere.

EI: High Skilled and Very Pricey, and Hard to get the Mats needed.

That's why you offset it with a high input cost, and a high skill requirement.