Some thoughts on PBS’s

PBS’s should be constructed in a modular fashion, for example

Terminal: when a player Corp wants to build an terminal they can construct the terminal ( no facilities at this point) all they get is docking, market, personal and Corp hanger access.

Refinery & facilities: All facilities will be able to be accessed from the main terminal once constructed just like the current system for terminals. When a player Corp wants to have the capability to refine recourses they will need to build a refinery, this is a separate structure that must be constructed within ~500 m to ~750m of the main terminal. This structure will have separate attributes from the main terminal and will be able to be destroyed by opposing players. All facilities must be destroyed in order for the main terminal to be destroyed. Each additional facility that is added to the main terminal adds to the maximum shield HP of the main terminal. Once all of the facilities for the main terminal are destroyed and its shield removed the opposing players may either completely  destroy the terminal or salvage it.

Salvaging: salvaging terminals produces the items that were stored inside the terminals hangers. Salvaging is a process similar to the current active sap capture where players will need salvaging modules equipped and search through the wreckage. You will only be able to salvage items that will fit into your cargo, (of course )…. (scarab)so bring a hauler. The players who had items in the terminal when it was destroyed / salvaged will loose these items.

Construction : PBS’s can be constructed on the new Gama islands. The construction process will take ~4 hours to complete during this time the player Corp constructing the terminal will be required to Deposit large amounts of building materials into the construction “crane” in order for the crane to complete the construction. The construction crane is an item that can be bought from NPC sell orders on the market for 500m Nic. The construction materials for the terminal could consist of ~10K U Titan Ore, ~10K U Sterm, ~2K U Alligore etc.. the facilities would be about 20% of the cost of the main terminal. But constructed in the same way. Terminals must be completed before facilities can start construction.

Destruction: PBS’s will be vulnerable to attack for a period of 1 Hour every day this will coincide with the original construction start time (this is for the shields to cycle on the facilities and the terminal). Each structure will have its own individual timer (so if you want them to all come up at the same time make sure to start them all at the same time of day for your forces to defend). Terminals HP should be about ~1M HP while facilities should be about 250K HP.. ..

At work .. bbl later with more

i think the most important thing said here is this:

||"Game is trying to force a play style instead of being more open to the decisions made by players, this is not good. "||

GIVE US A CHOICE ON HOW WE WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME !!!!

Forcing player corps that live on beta to go to alpha to mine minerals is just plain nonsense. ( if the rarest ore can be found on beta islands so should the most ubiquitous) people enjoy choice not being forced into something. beta should be 10x or more better in all aspects over Alpha islands. until then beta is just for Epeen.

Suggestion: add more beta islands than have better aspects such as, larger islands, all resources, larger fields, all 4 star + spawns and other amenities that will make beta islands worth living on. as of right now there is only 1 thing you need from beta and that is Epi. the bonuses from the auras are underwhelming and not worth risk of mining in mk2|T4|T4+ Riv's.

tl;dr

bring titan back to beta and let beta corps be beta corps not alpha/beta corps !!!

what other lolz fits are people going to come up with?

I want fraps of someone wasting 20M+ NIC piloting a HeavyMech for a jihad explosion....

just because it "possible" doesn't mean its "smart".

Didn’t the Dev’s JUST (few months back) add skills for Neutralizers , Drainers, and Engineering distance  because they were not useful and needed to be balanced with other e-war types? Now they are over powered ? 

Is it just neuts or drainers as well ?  all green mechs over powered ? Are you being serious ? I cant tell. Seems like a joke to me.

All Mechs are able to use them so really any yellow, green or blue bot can use them, because as I recall the only Mech that has bonus to them is the e-war Pelistal  robots the ictus and troiar. So take away Neut bonus and what bonus do you give the green e-war ? RR? ECM? Supression? RSA? Jacking off?

There is very few bots that can sustain using Neuts for more than 60 to 90 seconds (even with injector) without burning out all their Acc (remember your being shot at as well and your shield takes away your acc)

Being a Green Neutralizing Mech is like playing Russian Roulette “ some ones gonna die just hope they do before its you” because once your acc is gone which it will be in the case of Neuts your dead. No Accumulator to shield you.

well this "no-name" has lots of names in game. Try understanding the topic instead of attacking someone for who they are or what Corp there in. Honestly if you payed attention to my posts you would know exactly who I am. But that’s not the point, the topic of the thread is if the skill trees are balanced.

There is a corporate dialogue section for personal attacks. Try to be constructive and leave the politics out of it.

If the weapon classes were to be separated then it would add definition to your choice as a pilot. If you decide to pilot blue then you should be committed to piloting that race, the same goes for green and yellow.  I think it would be a major improvement to the game if this was the case.
I just find it silly that at this early stage in the game people are ably to “effectively” pilot two different “factions” of robots while doing large amounts of DPS.

I may be in the minority but honestly this game is not going to go very far by lumping so many skill trees together. The DEV’s should be trying to add “depth”, add “complexity” (not complication) and increase the life of the game. NOT to make is some type of arcade game.

Just listen to general and the help channels and you will find many new players being directly and indirectly told that if they want to be a DPS character they will need to be blue or yellow. When a question like this can be boiled down to just pick turrets it shows the lack of depth or complexity in the game.

Short: more options are better, 1 size fits all turret skills = not good for long run of the game.

Not a theory but a “coming soon” practice.

IF you find the current system "enough as it is" I can understand wanting things easy. But if this game is to last more than a year or two (and increase the player base) there needs to be core changes to the Skill system to allow for more diversity.

Saying there's only "two" ways to balance this is just flat wrong.

One way to balance this is stop focusing on how the weapons are used in combat and understand that my OP was about EP and the weapon usage skill tree.

A balance would be to make all 4 types of weapons have their own unique skill set instead of lumping 3 of the 4 into one skill set.

it doesn't matter if its a potato gun or a sling shot if they are going to be classified as different weapons then they should have different skill trees.

/agree /w Sundial

Many pilots swap form yellow mech to blue mech ALL THE TIME !!! if you haven't see people do this im afraid you haven't been playing much in pvp. Politics aside take a look at the 62nd and Cir guys, ive seen many of them able to flip to one color to another just like that on the same toon.

@Arga, clarify for me please. Are you saying that the cross train between blue and yellow is so small that it is not an issue?

Think 1, 2 or 3 years down the line when maybe large and extra large weapons are in the game, this may be small now but it will have larger effects the longer the game goes on and the more diversity of weapons there are in the game.

like I said before i have no problem with cross training but I think cross training should take a LOT longer than specializing in one weapon type.

I'm not going as far to advocate for specific turret types on bots I just want EP balance.

Green bots need just as much or more engineering skills for acc recharge etc.. because of shields and drainers.

Acc usage and LOS are balanced with missile damage, rof and range, which was also helped with the height increase of mechs several months back.

The balance issue present is the amount of EP needed to achieve a high level of proficiency in a specific type of weapon. Where it is imbalanced is when you go the turret path over the missile path you have access to 3x as many weapons for the same base skill sets with the same amount of EP spent for the equivalent missile skills.

I'm using the little number in [brackets] next to the star in the extension tree. that is what "rank" the skill is. Also i would be satisfied with the devs saying that yes if / when the artilary / mortars aoe weapons come in to the game they will be based on launcher skills ... or at least there will be weapons in the future that will be based on the launcher skill set. .... something that justifies the system being the way it is.. as for now there is no justification [minus(that is how the Devs want it)]

But as stated (for the purpose of trying to not let this thread go in all kinds of willy nilly directions) my concern is with weapon usage skills only. I do understand that the Ewar skills are multi faction as well as the bonuses i have no problem there.

Point?

There is no balance issue with all of the items you have listed.
Do you not have any issue with the weapon usage imbalance related to sharp shooting or general firing?