Link?

I would be perfectly happy with option 3, but not if it takes another year to implement. it was back in Feb/March when they were teasing us e with artillery I'm not holding my breath any more for that one. I am just requesting that there be a little balance to the green bot class instead of leaving them in a dark corner while the yellow and blue bots have all the shinny toys.

This imbalance goes beyond just skills and EP, it also has to do with what modules the bots can fit but I'm not concerned with that one just yet. Hopefully we can get this balance issue resolved then move on to the next.

Beasty,

A: You can still hide and do dps only faction with no LOS.

B: why should all factions be the same? Green is more specialised less training diversity so?

C: game is not ready wait for option 3

Or do a reset

When i started playing Eve I picked Amarr, and at that point of time Caldari were owning.
So i tought, this time i start with missiles, and it's just my crappy luck that i always pick the wrong race, which pelistals obviously are.:lol:

you can damage turret bots from spots they cannot shoot you at all ...

anyway have a look at the turret bots and you'll a further problem. the turret slots also count as mic/industrial in most cases. missiles slots are .... missile ONLY !!! that means you cannot even swap launchers for drainers/neuts if you wanted. turret bots can. they have much more fitting flexibility (it might be not used much, but it is there).

anyway, I don't see a problem with the skill division ... I saw the same in stEVE and it worked and the complaints were all the same :-)

This is a weird issue, one I bounce back and forth on.  You're definitely making a choice to play the oddball out going Pelistal(intentionally or unintentionally).

I've got two main issues with the OP though:
1. You're already preempting a discussion by stating it's about weapon related extensions only, which it can't be--there's a lot more going on with EP "values" and distribution than just weapon enhancing extensions(especially for greens).

2. You're assigning an EP value for extensions that doesn't actually exist--it's your own subjective feeling on it's value vs other colors and using it in a balance type of discussion on turrets and launchers.

Yes, we cannot cross train as easily as blues/yellows can(or at all honestly if we're being effective with EP).  So yes, that gives you less bang for your buck if we're talking about one extension giving you multiple benefits.  But one thing you have to keep in mind is I don't think the Devs want to balance yellow and blue strictly around the idea that all yellows and blues are cross training.

But as a green player I don't think it should be viewed as a given we're supposed to get a certain multiracial benefit out of our EP.  I see where you're going though, launcher skills only apply to launchers, and there's only 1 type of launcher that gets benefit from these EP(sans size differences).

A big benefit of having such a restriction in our non ability to cross train is it indirectly forces your EP elsewhere into things the green master race specialize in: shields and accumulator destroyers.  Sure blues can pick up EWAR skills to supplement their combat robots, but if they're cross training they are doing it to a way less effective level than a green pilot who's supplementing his combat skills with EWAR skills(ENGINEERING warfare ).  Even with a modest amount of that side EP into drainers/neuts you're making a green combat bot already nastier than it is, particularly if you pump serious EP into shields/accu, which we're basically made for(and keeps extra weight from drains/neuts off).  Green speed issues play into fitting additional non shield modules though, so that already kneecaps my idea already.  A Tyrannos w/launchers and 2x medium drainers that's shield fit is a nightmare to kill, but his speed isn't doing him any favors.

I really don't know though, I see your points, and you could be totally right on the issue.  I'm just offering possible alternatives as to why we're sequestered off.  Don't forget also: Devs have more modules/extensions on the horizon, so they might have been or are planning things around that for some sort of balance issue.

This all being said, I'm a green EWAR pilot, so I don't take combat specific bots into battle outside of NPC farming.  But discussion is always good.

option 3 would simply begin with implementing a "firearm" that is using launcher-skills

= grenade launcher... noone says AoE weapon

I went from Green to Blue because of speed.  A slow tyrannos always dies first....

The point was that you can do an effective crosstraining even between greens and yellows, because you will use a lot of same skills.

I have issue with DPS of missiles. I think it should be slightly increased. But IMO extensions are fine
This game is about specialization: to specialize in lazors or in missiles you should invest *** of EP. Yeah, it is something easier to make yellow\blue DPS cross build, but i think it is matter of time when other crossbuilds will be implemented.

Again: specialization.

Green and Yellow ewar yes, green and yellow DPS no.

I fully agree with Specialization. Some people specialize I do my self. As it stands the vast majority of yellow or blue DPS pilots don't specialize because of the way the skill trees are set. I don't want to make cross training impossible but cross training should be secondary to specialization.

For example:
Hey guys we spotted a squad of 3 blue mechs heading across beta lets go intercept!
Were blue to so lets bring "***" ammo to kill them.

Or

Hey guys we spotted a squad of 3 blue mechs heading across beta lets go intercept!
Were blue too but just jump in the yellow bots and go waste them because we fight just as well in either faction bot.

Shouldn't every one be encouraged to specialize?
If yes then how does the current weapon usage skill tree help this?

Green bots need just as much or more engineering skills for acc recharge etc.. because of shields and drainers.

Acc usage and LOS are balanced with missile damage, rof and range, which was also helped with the height increase of mechs several months back.

The balance issue present is the amount of EP needed to achieve a high level of proficiency in a specific type of weapon. Where it is imbalanced is when you go the turret path over the missile path you have access to 3x as many weapons for the same base skill sets with the same amount of EP spent for the equivalent missile skills.