*edit: Rule #4. - DEV Zoom

Just Sayin
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Titan ore needs to be put back on Beta for one simple reason. It is the basic ore in the game and should be found on every island period.

+1 need more Titan Ore on Beta.

Mineral and mining changes
I'll start with the good news, so maybe we can sell this off as a good thing™: we'll increase the mining yield of one cycle for every raw material by 50%. And we'll reduce mineral regeneration rates accordingly. Sounds bad at first, but this only hurts those grinding at the same mineral field every day, while the rest of the island is like an untouched mining paradise.

We'll also remove titan ore from beta islands. There's been many discussions about how all the beta corporations are too self-sufficient, which hurts the economy, and alpha corporations don't really have anything they could offer for them. Hopefully this change will start some goods exchange between alpha and beta islands. It's important to note that we will only stop the regeneration of titan ore, so current minerals will stay in the ground until they are all fully mined out.

That was copied from here: http://blog.perpetuum-online.com/archive/2011/04/

Now I know for a fact that the Titan ore was never mined out, it just was not there one day.  I had been mining it one day and the next (after a patch for something) it was gone.  I asked about it but never got a reply as to why this occured.

I am all for Titan on Beta 

I do agree it increases activity on alpha Lupus. However I feel that it is the wrong kind of activity when it results in the only thing being mined on beta being epriton and having corp production done on alpha.

Maybe we will see scarabs making this much less of a pain in the ***.

I still don't agree it was a good idea to completely (read 100%) remove titan from beta.

I invoke Rule #34 on this...

So I am wanting to finish this round of T4 modules and I see I am about 2k short of titan to refine to titanium, instead of hoping into my riveler running to the ore spot spend 5 mins mining what i need hoping back into station, I have to log onto my alpha mining team, mine the ore, haul it in then return my alpha mining team back to alpha and log them... So 45 mins later... I get my titanium.  More running and taking longer to do simple tasks is not what this game needs.

-1. Need to nerf ERP!!!

>Actually really need to give independing of alpha for beta corps<

The problem is that no one is actually moving titan to beta, so Ville's arguement is a good one in that sense.

I'll go out on a limb here though, and guess if I put 1M units of Titan on each beta Island at 5 NIC each, that a producer would probably pay 10k NIC (for Ville's example of 2K short) instead of all that hauling/delay.

That volume/price isn't going to be used for beta bulk purchasing though. Ville isn't going to pay 5 NIC for 50M units of titan needed for a week's production.

The whole idea here, titan aside, is that NO single island has every resource. The granularity is rough, Alpha/beta - Epi/Titan, but the concept of islands not having all resources is good.

That concept probably doesn't add any Shinen to Sun though   As his issue would be the same regardless; Meaning if Titan was on beta, but the Island he was on didnt' have Immentium, then he would again have to mine that missing ore from Alpha.

Think of it this way, what if a beta Island had Titan, but no Epitron.

Would that beta island be more attractive?

If any Island had ALL the resources on it, it could just 'lock' the door and play in it's own world.

tl;dr - Rarity of resources on Islands are good. Beta islands can already get 'some' titan products from recycling, just like Alpha can. There's also the random special ores that provide Epi on alpha and titan on beta. Politics and trade SHOULD be part of a sandbox, and I'm not just saying this because PIE is looking to start this doing that, since this is something that many other corps and players should have already been doing.

It feels like the lack of any resource on a pvp area breaks the immersion of living there. Yet if you bring it back then there is a huge divide between alpha and beta even more so with those lvl 4 facilities.

IMO, I would have done the opposite, create an even higher resource gathering area, full of bonuses, even higher yield beta only bots, but slightly lower level facilities than in alpha just enough to make you use beta outpost. After all most industrialists stay in alpha anyways. To add more incentive only scarabs or all gliders would be limited to beta only manufacturing.

well... arga has a good point there.

I would transport titan ore to beta, actually. The risk is just to high for me. When i am seen on the beta island, im most likely beeing shot down without any question, or pirate like "pay me xxx nic and i let you go"

the so called "pirates" have nothing to lose - they get ~50% of my cargo and equip and a killmail with epeen. Theres also no name behind the buy orders - I cannot even identify if its a trap.

So all I can do, is putting up my ore at an outpost or terminal on alpha, and hope for beta corps to haul it on their own...

Well, they may not be moving it to beta to sell there, but tbh, most of the titan we use we buy, because it is more cost effective to mine epri and sell it, or farm plasma and sell it, and buy the other materials we need.  Most of the minerals we use are bought on alpha, and transported to beta. I just happen to be a cheap bastard and mine some things myself when I don't have the support to go out mining epri.