Its ok..... You can come hang out with my friends. Your friends didnt want to show up

See you had the leadership to carry you through it, now would you say any of the vets that joined early on had any play in this?

It doesnt say a lot for all those other corp leaders *burn*

These 'powerblocks' only have a slim numbers and any real population could push them all out of a beta very easily. As far as gammas go, well thats until there is enough players to siege them and take them within a reasonable ammount ot time to make it worth it.

But isnt this creating that "conflict" players need to fight over? Controlling the nic flows?

*Remember how much that nic flow is/should, be reviewed*

But why are we "removing" instead of "adjusting" a pro to being on Beta which rolls in to supporting gamma life?

I have funded my gamma/play exclusively off buy tokens from beta players, thus no need for me to go near the beta's and letting them grow/learn.

Ok so then with the 'beams' then here is what the other variable could be, Looting with the Gamma beams+ Wreckage +cans+Loot animation x50+ accidently looting your field container with 1500u=BOOM server for having lag even on other islands. Outside of that though it was localized to the near area of the beaconing

I mean to be technical with it.

Lay 4x Platoon Beacon
>Blow them all up
("lag" starts)
>Attempt to loot
*Mass loots* (More "lag")
>accidently loot field container w/ 1500u+ and 50+ loot cans
=Boom to the server

This is a joke... CIR used to farm level 3 Mech beacons on Beta by the 7's without this level of lag. During this time we had upwards of 20+ of our own bots on the field. Now i am farming 7 with 7 and lagging to the point other zoned islands begin to lag.

Wrecks used to not be a problem.........

Re-implement damage to containers as a way to soft cap farm-able beacons at a time.

Tweak the mission to more accurately reflect the nic/per hour you deem "fit"

Cap # of wreckage that renders locally.

Daza i think you are grouping to many vets together. There is only a small faction of vets who understand the game and what it takes for it to thrive and the effect each change has had on the population. There are however a lot of very vocal players who are narrow minded, as with any game and will spew there crap on the forums to gain what they see as a benefit without fully understanding the repercussions. This isnt to say that other players know the repercussions, but there is a group of us who can acknowledge that  quite a few types of changes should not be implemented without being properly tested in order to discover any possible exploits and to determine how the system will be impacting the current gameplay and balance to prevent blowback.

I mean the pure fact that you speak of Vets who complained about walll nerfs is very shallow at best. There was a portion of players who cried about losing there safety but the most vocal were players simply trying to say "Its not my fault YOU(the devs) didnt have the forsight to see how this could be misused or abused. Now because of the lack of preparation my X ammount of nic and Y amount of time is being brushed under the table with some *fix*" Nullifying my effort and removing my faith in their ability to make decisions in what they were assuming, was a persistent game. Not erasing players forward progression and decisions in a persistent decision based world, like it is in a beta.

Lets look at Gamma where a # of players voiced concerns over the rules around how players can use the features. Specifically teleporter ranges and how terraforming is handled there, players were ignored, it was implemented and later changed. Players voiced concern over the time/cost of gamma and low and behold it is implemented a few factions spend Y man hours and 2-5 billion nic on making PERSISTENT changes to a game world only to find out that it is going to be nerfed. After already having 1 faction of players quit due to running out of in-game funds  with their failed attempt at exploring these features but to then also have the  75% reduction in cost/time required for the end product. I want you to imagine with how that sat for the player who invested 2-5 billions of nice and 3+ weeks of time invested in pioneering these features to be told *We are changing the rules and making it easier for everyone else", that being the intent of the message or not that is how it was received and only after cornering the devs and squeezing them was a portion of the change even reimbursed to the players effected. This oversight alone drove many players both industrial and combat alike from the game.

Lets get constructive here, Martha what is the variable factor that has enable STC to not only surivive but establish itself as a PvP corp and one that can hold its own, where many new flood corps have failed before you. Lets compare to other veteran corps who had greater experience and were unable to survive or continue playing. I mean how are you still here where so many others have vanished (even your own leadership from my understanding at one point left you high and dry)

^That is how we start making progress. identifying the issues and having proof of what is driving players out and keeping them in. What makes STC so different than the other flops? What happened to the majority of there population, why did that happen? what caused it? Those are questions to ask not GAMMA IS OP BECAUSE I CANT GET KILLS ON CAREBEAR, heres a hint.... the carebear will find a safe way as it always does and you will only catch the dumb ones.

This ishow itwould play out, the powerblocks would shift even more to be timezoned based to allow them to function on a open beta or onr corp would control the vast majority and the only others on beta would have been sneaking out

i could start naming the corps that woupdnt be able to live on beta or be active with thst open world, it closes  the world to many. They wouldnt have castles to play with and be done with alpha and the game. The walls in theory great idea but were implemented poorly just as with initial gamma, its a trend. One that has been reoccuring with many implementations of new features. This is why we vets are against changes, because they arnt thought out or properly tested before thrown in to live.

Lets entertain this no gamma idea.....

Please Dazamin how do you feel the game would have played out without gamma.

im quite confident that gamma is nota major factor considering that the players arn't making past new and/or medium play tobecome a vet and experiance gamma. The argument that gamma isnt functioning as intended is a entirly seperate argument. Thefactthat people are worried about the 5 to 20 players online are behind a gamma bse is some how hindering game growth is a joke. If you needthose players else where to grow population then you serious issuez beyond their location.

The most players we ever had was with out gamma. Give us the population flow charts and peak play times with activites performed back to the begining we may be able to start getting somewhere. I remeber moral being a large a factor in players playing. Players leavimg when they think others are beijg allowed to cheat and run the game. Players spending killions to billions on new features to see the cost or work they did nerfed amd made null, even at times that same work being eased for others and your effort disregarded.

What happened to 1000 man norhoop.
What happened to foom/stc/nex or any other influx.
What happened to ToG n friends on alsbale.
What happened to........

If you still think its gamma show me why.....

A game designed for a certain level of players but no plan or process to reach those numbers wont work either. From my personal experiance, the players themselvex are a driving factor. I have cause many to quit directly or indirectly.