I think it should come down to where it is a flat standard across the board, No Assault Bot should out run a Light, No Mech out run an Assault, and no Heavy Mech out run a Mech. So if that means adjusting speeds within the game, so be it.

Lights are just that, lightweight, light guns, the scouts, by rights. They are fast, at least in to 110 KPH if not faster. Fitted with Sensor boosts, they should be able to out range any other bot / mech electronically, (unless damped / area jammers....New modules?) so they see trouble before actually running into it at optimun range of Mech with demobs and get 1 shotted. 

The Assault Bots are the Anti Scouting Bot (area Jammers to reduce radar range within a specific radius) / Heavy Scout and General Purpose use . They should be be in the range of 90KPH.

The Mechs at 70 KPH are the base EWAR / Battlefield Logistic platforms and or fire support.

The Heavies in the 50 KPH and basicly a walking (EMPHASISE WALKING) Turret of firepower and armour or Heavy EWAR / Battle Field Logisitics.

These should be the standard speeds with 0 EP bonus's or Lighweight frames applied. When you have Mechs out running Light Bots, you know the game is not balanced quite right. Ok, you strip ALL the armour out of a Heavy, and have the lightest of modules fitted and have Navigation at 10, then at most, that mech should be doing 76 KPH.

If you want speed, you have to sacrifice something, that being Armour and modules.

Maybe bringing into the game engine upgrade modules (Low Slots). An example might be better plasma injectors for an over all increase of 3-7% speed increase based on the Tech level.

What this is intended to do is make the Squad Leaders / Patrol Leaders think about their squad composition and bring a little bit of complexity to PvP ops make up rather than everyone load up for bear and going pew pew (which is fun but tends to get a little tedious after a while) It is also a means to ending the blob per se, where you have a gang of gun ships, torn apart because their composition was not thought out properly, got sensor damped and ECM, and picked off by a lesser number of opposing gun ships but who had the right logistics and support in place.

Just a few ideas anyway.

Syndic wrote:

Its the eternal discussion - why should T1 light bots not be better then T4 mechs. The racial advantage is already there for small bots to put a lot of hurt on speed-mechs, especially since the speed-buff light bots and assaults received. 1v1, a Prom will beat a Kain.

Wut? Feel free to explain this in more detail. You know, for the people who feel that this reads like a post arguing that 1+1=3.

I think assaults are a decent masking platform, but yes the previous numbers were OP.  I think somewhere around the 150 mark for masking would be fine, giving them some sight advantage, but not so much to be able to easily duck in and out of sight, firing 1 salvo then disappearing, rinse and repeat.  Instead, what seems to have happened is the devs are abandoning the masking role of assaults all together.  Maybe this is in preparation for their "new assault platform" I keep hearing about, but this change was a bit too soon and too harsh.

I'd say the minimum sight range any bot should have on any other bot should be around 350-400m, and thats with the help of maskers.  Normal sight range should be minimum 500-600m.

Monster wrote:

AeonThePiglet wrote:

Why am I admitting this stuff? Well, one reason is it's true. The other reason is that the people we've fought (M2S, CIR, 62nd and a whole bunch of others) can tell you from first hand experience that overwhelming numbers of low skill players does not translate into easy kills from swarming. Doesn't happen. Sorry if you think otherwise, but you're wrong.

With you at the helm of 20 tutorial mission bots ie Leading lambs out to the slaughter, who would expect anything different.

Hey brosef, wanna lead one of our roams? I'm sure after all this back seat FCing you're great at it!

I regularly visit CIR land and tbh, they have not been impressive at all. Good people and skilled for the most part, but also terribly overrated by newbs.

Almost killed 2 bots including 1 assault in my ghetto rigged prometheus and another time I played around with them around their base in a Baph for a good while. Each time facing 4-5 people and surviving for minutes on end. All solo ...

Syndic isn't toying with NeX in hopes for greater competition. It is a well disguised plea for mercy in hopes that NeX will dissolve before all of the adulation wears off.

Nex could go over to Nova right now and strip it from CIR if they wanted to. Yes, they have a considerable EP, skill, and gear advantage ... But you have such an overwhelming number advantage that it wouldn't even be a challenge.

As much as you would all love to believe his motives are selfless, he is basically playing you all like a fiddle. Good guy though and really the only viable option he and CIR had at that point. Like I said before, well played ...

Awaiting this new reset system patiently, but if it doesn't come in the next week, I am probably unsubscribing. Not to be dramatic and all but It's really but a damper on my desire to play.

i find it funny you are all scared of what we will come up with from your fits

The Hound?

Alexander wrote:

Hey look. CIR took over the job of suppressing the game and killing off smaller corporation. Does this mean that CIR are not trying to kill the game by not fighting fair? I also haven't seen the mining in a long time too.

This gets more and more interesting every day.

Also, no fits on losses and kills.

Lol I really want to know how you got that from this thread. Quit trying so hard, it makes you look oh so very butthurt.
And the veiled accusation about no mining...from you? Really? C'mon Alex

Edit: I'm for showing the equipped mods/cargo content on killmails.