The problem I see with this whole idea is, the Vet corps will not have to deal with this.  I assume that all the Vet corps have all been stockpiling kernels (and now, Saving EP too).  I have been, and I know that many others are doing the same.  The second this patch drops the Vet corps will first max out personal research, and then dump all their excess RP into the corp.  I don't care what kind of multiplier the DEV's implement.  Do to beacon pits, Observer timers, and the fact that we have known that this patch was coming for months, and have all been stockpiling kernels.  This multiplier will not matter to us because we have more kernels than will ever be needed to finish all the tech.  This will not be the case for new players/new corps.  They will have to grind all of the kernels, or join one of the major power blocks. 

On the topic of power blocks,  yes, they are very detrimental to the game.  There needs to be many many different corps.  If they align into major power blocks that is fine (Which they will do) so long as there are lots of different corps in a coalition.  But this 2 party system we have now doesn't work.  Ask any American how well a 2 party system works for its government.  And by making it so that the Vet corps get the research instantly, while the new corps have to grind out the research for months, if not years,  that just further separates the old guard from any new players that come in. 

The system we have now is basically this.  If you aren't T4 fit, you are at a disadvantage, because everyone else is T4 fit.  So long as the de facto standard is T4, then the new corps need to be able to get there quickly.  And no, the new players wont be able to buy T4 with any regularity, because as demand goes up, price goes up.  So the more new players we get the higher the demand will be, the more the Producers can charge for their products.  Not to mention that the more players we get the more PVP there will be, which then further increase the demand.  On top of that, even if you are T4 fit, but your skills aren't maxed or closed to max, you are still at a disadvantage.  But, by getting the new corps to higher grade equipment sooner, they can mitigate the equipment disadvantage, and then it just becomes a question of EP / PVP experience.  Or, somehow we find a way to lower the standard of equipment to T2 and make T4 the really special stuff.  This will not happen of course, because again, the Vet corps don't produce 20 T4 items anymore, they produce 300  T4 items at a time, and have been hording equipment for months if not years.

guys, have you realy forgotten how much work its even for one person to max out your research tree?

how many months you had to work realy hard. even with the help of your corp. there are and have been plenty of corps that never finished their research trees.
asuming that we will need roughly the same amount of time/kernel in the new system, and then add the x10 multiplier then it will stay unreachable for a lot of corps. even with a decent population boost.

yes we now have gamma and yes it make a lot things more easy to get the tech, but still its a hell a lot of work. still ppl through around things like x10 mutiplier. when do you want to let them reach it? in 5 years? and that only if they focus on it and let the rest of the game be?

the tech tree should be doable in a "resonable ammount of time" even for smaller corps. yea whats resonable. lets say at least at veteran status (usefull heavy pilots) a small corp should be able to do that in a year.

if you want to add a endless grind for it then burials idea is perfect to do so...
10 additional leves on the tech tree to add boni. each level costs the same rp as the tech. then you have your x10 multiplier, but still the same amount as a solo player to get your tech. well we are not talking about the size of the bonus in production here...

Tbh I'm too tired of the game to grind another six months to get back what I already had. Time to move on.

You shouldn't have to. Zoom says that personal RP should translate almost directly back into personal Tech trees. You'd only have to grind if you wanted to give those RP's to a Corporation.

It simply shouldn't make sense for 1 or 2 players to feed RP's into a corp and have 7xT4 available to all corp members given access to PT Manager.

Small corps can continue on just as they are now, with 1 Primary PT that can make all the PT's the corp needs.

Only Large Corps really NEED the benefits provided by a Corp PT, but even so, small corps can make slow progress toward individual trees without ever going 'backwards' or feeling like they are wasting kernels by spreading them out.

Really ?

@ Arga: your still stuck on the assumption that the average corp size is 50 real life players.

I imagine even if steam brings in thousands of players, the average corp size will not be more than 10 to 15 real people (which could create a corp roster of 60 to 100 members). More diverse corps > Few large corps. The numbers of members in corps is completely deceiving.

10 guys working under a x50 multiplier is unrealistic, they will see it is a waste of time to start. because even then they can all do all of the trees 5 time over to match the same amount of kernels it would take to get their corp research done.

All corps no matter their size should benefit from corp research ... NOT just the few MEGA corps. It needs to be thought of as a core element of the corporation, not a trophy system. 

I understand you want an additional never ending grind added to the game . but its not nor should it be the research system. that should be reserved for missions / reputation, gamma building and the many other things to do in the game.

The new addition of corporation research should be something that appeals to a new group of players (10 man corp) not something that they look at and say well if we ever have 50 real life players in our corp then we can start working on that.

... I really don't think adding in a feature like this and then gearing it cater to the existing Veterans is going to get the game anywhere.

What a drama! What a live discussion!

I have an idea. How about reverse things a little and make corporation kb rate x1 and personal kb rate x10-100-whatever? So as a PT guy, after patch you will get your RP at rate x1 and can freely put them to corp RP without losses. Or spend them back to your own kb and loose afvantage.

Remember that production bonuses it's not all that corporation research would bring. Main benefit would be the independance on PT guy online/offline/unsubbed. Then, if you need that bonus, go grind it on personal level and that's it.

Whats on those saves of kernels and immediately advantages - hell that's simple. During the patch time, remove all the saved kernels and calculate RP only based on ated kernels by agents who did constructed at least 5-10-25 protos. That will filter out some ppl who will immediately start to eat all their saves

I'm trying to be optomistic.

If Perp can't do better than getting 10 man corps, than it has failed. 100+ should be the average sized corps that are shaping the landscape, 10 man should be groups of buddies just casually playing. Its true, look at 10 man corps, they maybe have 2-3 people on during the week , maybe concurrently if they are all in the same TZ, and 8 or 9 on the weekends. While 100 man corps are still only going to have 20-25 on concurrently; if they're lucky.

Large numbers of subscribers will make a game with large corps, its just how it works. If AC starts out scaling it for the current population, it will be trivial for the larger populations.

Also, the time/effort it takes now to get kernels is going to be different on a 'busy' server. The volume of kernels available on a server with 200 active players is going to be nothing compared with 2000 players, or 20000; there will actually be kernels in the AH.

I can't get excited over the prospect of 10 man corps, I'm probably being unrealistic, but if I am then it won't matter except to a small group of people.

If the equipment standard was T2-T3 I would agree with you, but its not.  Let's be honest here, if you aren't bringing T4, its a trash fit.  As a new player coming into this game, they not only face a resource gap, and EP gap, and an equipment gap.  New players are not going to be able to buy T4 gear all the time.  They wont be able to afford it.  But if you give them the goal of say, if you grind it out for 3 months you can get your research done for the corp.  they now have access to good gear which will swing the odds a little so they are not at such a major disadvantage. 
So long as T4 is the standard loadout, it has to be obtainable for new players with in a reasonable amount of time.  it cant be some way far off goal, or people wont stay.

you are assuming that the prices will stay the same.  If there is a massive influx of new players, prices are going to sky rocket.  Its a fundamental principle of supply and demand, and market equilibrium. 

If 3000 new players show up. Anyone who is still selling T4 at current prices is either an idiot, or doing it for some not smart reason.  Either way, prices are not going to stay where they are. (including Epri)

I honestly think the Devs added the EP tie-in without understanding how it would randomly negate a current fully researcher PT who just doesn't happen to have 250k EP saved. I don't mind the conversion of
Researched tech to the new RP equivalent; it should make resuming where you left off ROUGHLY equivalent to what you had (barring the EP bottleneck)

But Zoom's only response since I asked that question was to comment on the x100 multiplier.
No word from him about the possible EP bottleneck

Do you understand the membership levels of corps in games and how they operate?

90+% of the corps in perp are small corps ...
90+% of the corps in eve , Wow, etc are small corps ...

Average corps dont go to war against the mega corps or associate too close with them for various political reasons. I assure you if at any point the majority of corps in the game are filled with 100+ real life players you will see the majority of the corps in the game slit/fracture/fall apart and create new corps ... its just human nature.

alliances are made of average size corps ...

There are FEW large corps in all games but they don't account for the majority of the game population ... they are more visible yes ... but there are more players that just play the game fly under the radar and stay small to medium size that there will ever be large mega corps... you balance the game towards needing 100+ people to do something and you have just failed.

usable content is what should be implemented into the game ... we dont need trophy systems yet .. that can come with steam

most likely 0 if the enabler extensions complexity is more than 2

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