its one of the reasons i made that topic:
http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topi … n-to-devs/

and also, asking for AoE Mining modules, and immersive gameplay, single account balance (as oppositte of multiboxing enviroment), etc.

but hey, hunter, all you describe up there is "risk vs. reward" - if you dont risk something, your reward is more tedius grind

titan mining is a pain in the a**...
you have to switch tiles all the time.

the good thig at is that titan is not needed in that high ammount in total. at least when you take actuall mining time and not units into account. most time that we need in our productions are liquizit, epriton and noralgis.
and im happy with the first 2 ones because they are liquid so no anoying switching tiles all the time... nora of cource is even more anoying because you acually have to pay atention not to kill your plants all the time. the suggestion here for plat harvesting for a option no only harvest it down to 1 cycle is as old as i can remember...

Mining titan ore is a PITA enough said.

Its funny, how mining in perpetuum is something where you absolutely not want npcs show up because you cannot fight them off with your mining group (even though each industrial bot has a weapon slot, the scarab even has TWO!)

and in that other game i play more often now, the mining works like beacon farming - just that you have to protect the mining-device from countless attacking creeps. two in one - action + resource gathering.

Liquid?

1 cannon on indie bot it's just lol. Mostly it's for kill yourself than for actually protect from npc. So defensive drones will be good.

because its value is below 1 NIC
not worth mining and selling as income source with only a termis

would have loved to bomb that

Then if eeryone is multiboxing mining why to have such high material costs at all?

and the vertical only progression. if you want to mine - Riv MK2 is the best for any kind of mining task, ninja epriton mining eventually with termis - but argano's only role is geoscanning which is also obsolete the moment you got the extension for accuracy maxed out and T4 geoscanner in diposable quantity.

even "perpetuum with spaceships" has changed their balance to make all sizes of mining ships valuable for certain tasks.

see - it was a popular demand that AFK mining is beeing kept ingame as profession when the playerbase was still more active. > wish granted, since its in line with EVE online mining and its one of the three major specialisation pathes that advertise multiboxing instead of multiplayer...

there was also a request from me, that the ore per mining bot cargo should be more worth in production (like less U mined for more items produced)
-> my wish was granted, and at the same time negated by making all commodities made of 2 ores + 1 plant. I think now its worse then before...

Mining Towers should not mine on their own - that was the public statement, since it would make mining-agents on gamma obsolete.
So what happened - mining tower was turned into colixum-mining-buff only structure, which is the another extreme. TBH after seeing how playerbase is using the towers (placing one, connect it with long range command-nodes for activation, and then use energy transferers -> i have changed my mind and would change them to very inefficient active mining structures that mine whatever resource is in their range.

and about the "i want to log in and fight mentality - well, for that there would be the "market", which was almost dead since the game went beta. not because the population is so low - because with only PvP you got no income, PvE as income is similar to Mining, only with the risk of getting shot.

last but no least - PvP was for years just shooting defenseless miners who havent been able to log off fast enough or dock at a station. The DEV reaction was always to make escaping harder -> they have NEVER added an option to actually DEFEND yourself

i could continues for pages...

tl;dr:
as long as the DEVs do not start to focus on making the game fun, and the loss of equip the norm, the mining will stay a grind factor³ forever.