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Gobla wrote:Hadouken wrote:If your on flat ground, and sure there's no hills, but your shot still hits the ground or goes the wrong way, what does your combat log say?
Does it say that your shot missed?
Or does it say that your shot was blocked by an obstacle?
You do have a chance to miss, and when you do, the shot will miss, this is often shown as the shot hitting the ground. Double check your combat log next time and see what it says.
Other then that, I don't know what to tell you, LOS works just fine for me. Is your connection laggy maybe? I find it odd that it would work fine for some and be buggy for others.
Assuming he's using small lasers then he can't miss normally. Lasers have a hit dispersion of 3. The smallest surface size is 3. Unless the NPC bot is equipped with an evasion module, which I doubt many of them are, you can't miss with small lasers.
On top of that a miss does not look like hitting the ground. A miss looks like shooting the air just next to your opponent.
If you want to experience when the LoS systems gets annoying try fighting on a slope where both you and your opponent are at the same height. So a slope that, when the camera is right behind your robot, goes from the top right corner to the bottom left corner of your screen ( or the other way around ). The steeper the slope is the more often your robot seems to not even be aiming at the enemy robot but instead his lasers leave the barrel at an angle of around 30+ degrees ( rotation ) and fire at the top of the slope.
Dont forget trying to hit ypur taret while it is movinng towards you and not in the best range, so you move, they move but the terrain is always going to be against you since there seems to be invisible walls.
I think the lassr peeps need to start frapping and posting on youtube so all these nah sayers get a better understanding of what we are experiencing instead of saying i cant line up a shot because i am to stupid to see i dont have LoS. Gimme some credit.......
Letalis Deus wrote:Gobla has it right. This isn't about arbitrary "Complete this, do this, get me X of X and return here", this is a sandbox and it is what you make it. Sure there isn't a whole lot of content, but considering the Dev team size, the small budget, and the fact that it JUST came out of Beta, you can't be expecting anything more than what it has now. In fact, most other MMO's at this stage would be HALF the quality this is. MMO's need time to develop and mature, they are never released finished. Don't be judging this so harshly, and honestly, if you are having a problem with the game, just don't play it.
this is the biggest pile of BS I have seen in a long time.
+1 on everything the OP said. You are spot on and this game needs help except for the DOPE *** music!
Cons wrote:Kraftwerk wrote:Cons wrote:Huh?
Again, I cannot speak for the devs, but my understanding is missiles firing arc and lesser cap usage are some the advantages of the weapon. The Horrific DPS is amoung drawbacks.
If every weapon hits in the same fashion, why would anyone choose any other weapon than the top dps weapon?
I believe the issue is that even though lasers do more damage they dont hit like you expect so missiles (low dps) are actually out dpsing lasers because of terrian and los issues.
I think I was pretty clear though.
Terrain, and its effects on weapons, is a consideration in weapon choice. I think its a good thing it is this way as it keeps all weapons from being the same. I also think its is as the devs want it. Variety is good.
Lasers do more dmg but require a player to consider his positioning. He has to be on flat, open terrain or he has to be on higher terrain shooting down on opponents. When he meets this criteria his dps cannot be equaled by an equally equipped missile user.
Missiles do nor require the player to be on flat, or higher ground. On uneven ground, or areas with a lot of growth, Missiles can do more dmg then Lasers(or others.)
I do not see the problem with this.
I also think people are confusing Los with terrain. The Los problem was fixed a few days ago. The terrain effects are part of the game that people need to get used to.
Ahh the circle game. Let's stop it here because you think the LOS is fixed and can't grasp how crappy lasers or any other LOS weapon is compared to missiles. LOS is not fixed nor can you hit anything from being above it. Please, lets not go back and forth on the issue.
Cons wrote:XrayIT wrote:ok I've finnaly find the time to search and prepare some screenshots about the los issue.
http://img600.imageshack.us/g/perpetuum0007m.png/
on some screenshot you clearly see the target and the laser hiting just in front of me.
on other, missiles come straight to me but I can't hit back
has I've clarified, missiles are not OP or weak in regards of dammage, but when you look at it as a all.
they really need some adjustement to be more ballanced (not nerfed)
again, maybe I haven't tested enough laser and missiles with high end stuff.
Huh?
Again, I cannot speak for the devs, but my understanding is missiles firing arc and lesser cap usage are some the advantages of the weapon. The Horrific DPS is amoung drawbacks.
If every weapon hits in the same fashion, why would anyone choose any other weapon than the top dps weapon?
I believe the issue is that even though lasers do more damage they dont hit like you expect so missiles (low dps) are actually out dpsing lasers because of terrian and los issues.
El Meromero wrote:Hi there .,
I have been lasering latelly quite a lot, and in plain terrain LOS is quite rare if you manage your timing efficiently, hold fire when you see a mob coming up a small bump so you wont loose your cycle. You can also try to use LOS in your advantage, know the terrain and so.
Its true you can experience wierd effects while shooting in a slope, i hope thou it will improve with some tweaks and when we move to taller bots and calculation can be done more properlly.
enjoy
While you manage your lasers and adjust for terrian your missile friend is owning everything in site and you then have to go rest because you missed over half your shots and are out of acc. I am not saying it isnt possible to do but i am not going to waste 30 mins trying to kill 4 mobs while my friend with missiles does it in 10.
XrayIT wrote:wrong.
read the other posts :
missiles : good LOS, small DPS (not in the beggining since standard missiles have correct DPS)
other weapons : break LOS, good (to very good) DPS.
the only issue here is the LOS, and it's getting better from patch to patch.
Dmg doesnt mean crap if you cant hit. So YES missiles.....
Missiles, it is the only weapon that is actually doing decent dmg
I am not here to take sides on missiles however i am here to tallk about lasers. I have spent almost all my EP in what seems like a dead weapon. Lasers are POINTLESS in a game that requires LOS and most if not all of the land is curved or has hills. If i try and target a mob and get a good range to fire, the mob will move to get their best range whichs screws my los so i am forced to constantly move and adjust while my friend with the missiles just sits behind a hill and owns everything! He misses maybe once in awhile and i am lucky if i hit a mob even if they are in perfect range and i have great los.
Basically my toon, my account is WORTHLESS! I am unable to progress without the help of others due to LOS issues. In fact it is so nad that I had to take a 3 day break so i could get enough EP to get a missile bot and the difference is totally unfair.
There is a reason why everyone is using missiles right now and that is because they are the only weapon that functions correctly in the game.
Here is a perfect example of why a respec is needed and why this title will lose subscriptions.
I have specced into lasers heavily to find out they cant hit and LOS is broken so my toon is basically trashed. I am not going to destroy the account but i know that a lot of users would rather play something else then continue to subscribe.
Since this is cleary broken is there a way to get my EP back that i spent specing into lasers? It is rather silly that a user can spec all their EP into a skill tree that doesnt even have the LOS issue fixed which basically makes their toon worthless and unplayable due to everyone having an edge on them.
Is there a plan to fix this or boost the damage to lasers so I can at least hit a target 1 out of 3 times and do some sort of decent damage?
If I wanted to multibox this game and use a program called keyclone or ISBoxer would this be against the TOS which are not present when I log into the game?
Zabulon wrote:To get a CT for an assault bot you can do 1 of 2 things:
Buy an assault bot on the market and RE it. Or, you can learn how to make a prototype and build that and RE it.
Assault bot protos take a lot of NIC, titanium, and some other basic mats as well as damaged fragments.
Thank you for the post! Where can I learn how to make a prototype? I thought I had to collect kernels from an assault bot, is that true?
Zabulon wrote:Is accepting an assignment as a squad fixed yet? It needs to be fixed ASAP. Also, accepting as a squad should allow the squad to see what is targeted, etc by others.
I had no idea it was broken? Why would they put out a game that has an essential community building bug?
I used a work email address to sign up and I need to remove it and add my personal address. When I go into the account settings I am unable to change my email address.
Please advise....
What needs to be farmed in order to get CT's for this?
So far in this game I do not see a need to be a in a group with friends. It seems like the assign squad thing is a joke and you can make more loot and better rep doing things on your own. Can anyone confirm what happens when you group up as I want to play this game with friends and so far it seems like it is not setup that way.
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