Like in 99% of any MMO i know, the LoS for Missiles is calculated at the moment they are fired. If the target moves into cover AFTER that, the missile will still hit. At this point, missiles dont have any advantage over Turrets.

Actually, the missiles having a slight disadvantage because their DAMAGE is dealt later, and can be absorbed by a shield that was activated After launch.

Projectile weapons do instant damage, but got a straight line LoS, where the Missiles having an arc LoS calculation.

When you say, Missiles got great range, than that is only half true:
Missiles having great range on cheap equip and low tech, but it doesnt expand whith better launchers.
Lasers and EM guns on the other side, get the higher ranges on expensive equipment only.

long range for Lasers and EM guns .. what is this good for when almost all terrain is somewhat curved? The only area where you can make good use of the guns range advantage are the beaches. And don't forget that the long range guns have lower damage than their short versions.

Add some automatic missle counter measure like miniguns, chaff or some small counter missles. They should have a very short range, a high fire rate, a very high cpu usage, low accumulator usage, and a high failure chance which could be improved by a new extension.

And if a missle is distracted/destroyed it should explode before it hits your bot.

Missiles are useless.

Well.. even though i do not mean that, i hope it qualifies me as a "missiles are usless" person, and as such allows me to be of assistance.

I do not believe that missiles have a problem. Not from what i have seen so far. They are a decent weapon, but nowhere near best.

- They have average range: longer than magnetics, but shorter than lasers from what i have seen.
- They have maybe the lowest damage over time of all the weapons.
- Guns require clear LOS when firing and so do missiles. Except that you do not realize that, as there is a delay between the firing of the launchers and the actual damage. If you fire your missiles while the target is "hidden", then the missiles will hit the obstacle even if the target moves out from behind it in the meantime.
- Delayed damage means that the target has time to activate countermeasures, like shields, resist modules and the like..

The big advantage of missiles right now is that it is less effected by the LOS bugs. Other than that, it is inferior to most direct damage weapons, especially so in PvP.

I haven't really say that missiles are too powerfull (or too weak).

but currently there are still balance issue.
in theory the difference betwen the different weapons are good and well balanced, but in practice it's not.
direct los weapons (and mainly laser) can' t really use their advantages with the current LOS calculation or the current terrain.

so, if we (and I mean the DEV team ) can really solve the LOS problem good for me.
but if we can't really find a proper solution, then maybe we can think about other LOS, dammage,... calculation for missiles (and other weapons too) like not Fire&Forget, counter mesure,...

or maybe I haven't tested enough (high end equipement, extension,...).

edit : for DEV ZOOM
I don't think that half are saying that missiles are too weak, cause more than half of the server are missiles users (if I'm not wrong).

and if you have an advantge in a game don't you try to protect it ?

or maybe the 2 groups are not pointing the same problem

It is better but direct damage weapons still have problems, you can see your target and still hit the ground, while with missiles it works perfectly even over small hills.

That can be deceiving though, since most of the time you are observing the terrain from above, not aware of the slight bumps on the terrain.

thats a matter of the plain shading for 75% of the playtime (night, and around midday)
without propper shadows, its hard to see a bump...
and those with deactivated shadows its 100% of the time.

XrayIT please do a screenshot of problematic LOS situations the next time you see them if you can please.

EM guns out spike missiles, lololol.

Magendart ammo KABLAM!

I've made screenshots, try to post them ASAP.

again IF we can't found a proper solution to the LOS problem, then we have to find other mechanisms to balanced the game, mechanisms applied to missiles and other weapons.

plz merged the 2 topics, thx

this is totally true, its only on the light/assualts you notice a range difference, otherwise they have the shortest range, and only do burst dmg[making them low dps]. a gropho all maxed out and stuff is looking at pushing 750m if its lucky, but a seth as 1km+ with its laser and a mesmer etc.. is looking at 800+m. if you want a gropho to fire that far you need range boosters on sensor amps too because it can target that far, and they you nerf the dmg to the point that actually you arent even an annoyance to the players you are shooting at.

all weapons need ammo , em = slugs , missiles = compact [short range] and Ballistics[long range] and lasers = energy cells [otherwise they would need more ap usage then they already do]