Syndic wrote:Don't get me wrong, I completely understand what you're saying. Yes, I view Beta-access as granted because my corp has been fighting & holding land on Beta since we came in-game and joined Vindictive alliance.
But you need to on the other hand, understand the point where I'm coming from; CIR has spent the better part of the last 6 months tweaking and fine-tuning every point of our internal corp industry in order to match up to M2S. Now, we know what happened with that so no need to go there; but what I'm saying is that because of this, our industrial production quite easily outputs in 48 hours what most other corps output in 2-3 weeks.
I've tried it all, believe me. I've personally gone to every Alpha-corp I could get my hands on, offered them a carte-blanche guarantee that we'd buy everything they could mine up. We did, and all of those Alpha corps couldn't mine up enough to cover a quarter of our production at the time.
Therefore, it is infinitely easier for us to mine it up ourselves with 5-10 guys doing it in shifts with 20-30 accounts mining, have the simpler commodities refined on Alpha & hauled into production and/or moved into local production of non-essentials. The market, and all Alpha corps, quite simply do not possess the mining capacity to supply our production with Alpha-ores.
For example, after the assault-patch we separated an inactive factory account that is maxxed out, mined up the resources and set 30 lines burning. Today we have DEVs posting how assaults will be made less uber - that still means we're going to end up having to rip out the CT's or burn them out. 300 assaults from 30 lines, in a few days. Where are the Alpha corps that can supply me with the resources for that, nevermind the materials to produce fittings for those bots?
It probably is a waste of time to mine on Alpha, but again you need to understand - we have been sitting every day, 8-12 hours, on Novastrov mining with anywhere between 15-30 rivelers in full T4 fits & T4 Nexus support for a long time. There just AREN'T that many ore fields left that are rich enough to warrant exploiting them on an industrial level. Nobody is roaming us since M2S got wiped, and nobody roamed us except M2S before they got wiped.
300 assaults... That's about 100 mil nic worth of resources. Another 150-200 m to t4 them. You're saying 250-300 m worth of resources each 2-3 days is very huge amount for corp which, according to you, can mine with 20+ rivelers uninterupted 8-12 hours a day? Is it the case like of Smokey bragging about his mk2 riveler who appears to have same cycle time and just about 20% better yield as my miner if I'd put him in t1 termis without the nexuses? It's not even funny to read nonsences like that anymore.
On topic of "waaagh gimme moar": Congrats. You created a blob and now you are crying that nobody can supply minerals your zerg needs or is able to mine on one beta island themselves. Maybe, just as I mentioned before, you should start changing things from yourself. Brave Sir "nobody roams us". Why would anyone who is not in equvalent zerg roam you? When we go to Nov 2 things happen - A) you get outnumbered 3:1, B) nobody is there or people stand under outpost in plated mechs if they can't achieve number "balance" in A. Somehow other corps are doing fine, be it alpha or beta mine. They don't need more. Maybe, just maybe, because they are not overblobing?
I still dont see a reason to use Beta for mining non-Epriton materials, the risk vs reward - theorycrafting-wise - is so off-balanced that its more sensible to mine them on Alpha.
Wait a moment... You've just talked about 20+ CIR rivelers mining 12 hours a day on beta without interuptions because nobody ever roams you. Now you talk about lack of reward on beta because of taking some kinda risk. Contradicting yourself much, brosef?
I'd actually pay more attention to what you posted if you "elite PVPers" didn't completely stop roaming of any kind since the "incident". It's refreshing to see what a little bit of honest mining will do to develop respect for the T4 you scoffed at and threw away like candy before.
Keep repeating that just like you already do over and over and over again. Maybe somebody will start believing it. Maybe if you sticked your nose out of your blob and alpha mining a bit more often you'd meet some of us, just like F-Navy, Foom, TOG and numerous other corps do everyday.
TLDR: No, your blob shouldn't be rewarded more. Resources on betas are already plentiful be it minerals, npcs, artifact scans or assignment running. If you don't use it properly or simply over-use, it doesn't mean something in the game needs fixing.
