Remove 3 alpha islands so resources get over farmed on Alpha

I agree something needs to be done. I wonder what has changed to make this happen. I remember a time when reasons for living on beta was very worthwhile despite the losses. Back then there was no plasma btw but increasing their supply might not be that bad.

What has changed?

Epitron is now an ore it used to be liquid.

More alpha islands with better spawns ores and outpost quality.

Or, have we now realised its easier to base corp on alpha and ninja beta?

About alpha not getting over farmed might be a problem with player base too low more than anything else imho.

Not enough targets? Probably time to expand the alliance again.

Suggestions:
1. Drop all alliances and NAP's
2. Stop recruiting, promote enemy corps you respect
3. Take chances, fighting CIR is usually lame due to their refusal to engage without overwhelming force.  A happy medium lives in between the dock up and the blob.

There is absolutely no good reason to further devalue nic.  If anything there are not enough nic sinks at the high end.  I agree that the economy (not just the market but the broad based economy) needs more scarcity to drive competition.  The answer needs to be scalable to the player population and phased in slowly to avoid shocking the markets.  ROFL Stomping the market now that it's starting to show some signs of life to compensate for your habit of repeatedly allying half the server is a bad idea.

Finally... I told you so
http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/post/27822/#p27822

Word,

No but for sure we needs more things to drive living on bets, not simply ninjaing on to it. As far as what could drive this defaniltiy some of the changes slated for the summer release but something short term would be very nice.

I personly would like to see buildable like miner sites....these site could be destroyed but u need a fleet to do it. these sites that maybe look like huge drills constantly mine into a silo and the silo has to be empty out and they out put maybe like umm....2 rivilers worth? only 4 per outpost and it needs plasma to run or somthing like that.....I think that would greatly increase a reason for corps alone to own a out post. just an idea im sure theres tons more that could be added but im not one to type a wall of text.

Exactly, so kindly stop showing your butthurt all over the place. It's not that hard to do search on your posts and see same 2-3 lines of high horse text in each of them with poor attempts of trolling.
I am just stating the fact that you are requesting buffs to beta and discussing alpha OPness while actually your lead alliance does not promote beta itself, or rather does exactly the opposite. Standing under outposts in plated mechs after seeing one waspish, sending overtanked mk2 artemis to Kentagura to camp Foom who are made up of majority of fresh accounts who had balls to move to beta and make it the most active beta island etc. Hypocrite much? Always start from changing yourself, only then point at other problems.

http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topic/2527/tellesis/

i already started a topic about exactly that issue, just two weeks earlier.
The DEVs have finally added roaming npcs to those new island.

almost instantly after patch, Alexander called the placement of a single beta-fit roaming observer spawn on those islands a "fail" decision:

There needs to be a risk/reward balance to keep up - either the new alpha island deposits are going to be nerfed (bad balancing decision), or the risk factor is increased by adding the same threat as a pvp island offers: romaning robots.

already said in other topics several times: the threat to be killed must be the same everywhere, the difference just has to be the between AI and human.

Make alphas unsafe, just a zones around teleports and stations, as it was earlier. Raise rewards for misisons spotted in unsafe zones.

You have this now, the new alpha's are better as far as NPC and maybe minerals, but they have Mech Observers, and those will kill you 1 on 1.

And soon Outposts will be 'ownable.

But, you don't give a reason why a,b and c are not suffcient reasons to live on beta, you simply marginalize them and move on. I suspect this is because you are already on Beta and have been enjoying these benefits for so long that they no longer hold any value to you.

I disagree though.

Access to an outpost to store and move Epitron as needed grants a tremendous advantage over ninja miners. Epitron is 'fluffy' and getting 320,000 units out in a sequar requires some significant effort; current market value @14NIC = 4.48M. As a resident of the Island, you can watch your TP's and give your miners time to get off the fields, and transport continually. This allows you to get basically all the Epitron you need for internal production, which you devalue since you aren't paying for it. Look at your produciton usage and your current inventory of Epitron, and multiply that x 14. In conjunction with that, is the better refining, which you also marginalized; that further reduces your production costs.

Corps on Alpha, like 62nd do not mass produce Mechs and Hmechs simply because of the cost of Epitron/Alligor. That is the advantage to living on Beta currently, which is significant... unless you are not needing to replace Mechs, then it will again seem like nothing.

Foom, which has just arrived on Beta, is probably very happy with the new Income source and the abilitly to start producing H/mechs with just 'time' instead of 80% of the cost being Epitron.

Beta corps that are mining Alpha are WASTING THEIR TIME. You have to transport that ore from Alpha to beta anyway, so you would be better off mining Epitron and growing Norgalis, refining it, and selling it on the market or setting up relations with Alpha mining corps to supply you in exchange; Alligor is easy to transport and you can sell/trade it for all other minerals that you waste time mining on alpha now. Heck, if you work WITH alpha corps instead of looking down your nose at them, you could probably convince them to deliver it to beta too; with about 1/3 of the protection you need to move 15 Lithus's.

CIR has spoken before about wanting to be Independant, if that's the way they want to play it's OK with me, but don't try to change the game to support that model.

Beta corps working WITH alpha corps = Win Win

Balance doesn't mean give one side everything.

If all resource spot will be occupied with alpha corp miners, then your theory will work. I like Arga idea, what partially means next: each corporation should encapsulate their own role, to achieve goals: alpha corps should mine alpha resources and do more PvE, while beta corps should mine epriton, doing more PvP. But unfortunately atm game population dont allows it: there is no alpha corp what can supply well developed beta corp with minerals. Reasons is simple: this game too young, and each corporation, what can field out 5 riv's, in 2-3 weeks can step into the beta because beta islands is tasty and empty. And they do it. So best miners now not working for the market, they will work for themselves and their corps.
Situation will change when new wave of player will arrives: beta will be filled by old players, new players will mine on alpha, market will be filled by minerals and modules, NICs will be more valuable. Then the most interesting thing will happens: cruel fights for epriton spots, some old corporations will fall, some new corporation will risen, fight will be more awesome.
But this will works only if more players will play this game. ATM we made so much theorycrafting, what works only in context of server with 300 accounts online.

Like usual when you disagree it's for some "bad" reason.

Beta is fairly well balanced, the decoder drops, tech drops from the good spawns there are fairly good, and the kernels 4th star plus are well worth it. We farm beta consistently and get some nice tech and gear there, while not living under the roof of a target outpost.

Let's repost some highlights here that accurately summarize points/counterpoints:

The last poster really hits it. Given I roam your lands, I'd say you're using your land far less then norhoop does, yet still asking for more. I can't believe you'd ask this with the way noralgis grows on beta. You should have a solid line of t2 mechs up on the market which would give you further money.

I'm quite sorry but you took the land, you wanted it, others are using beta land a lot more then you are, so start using it. Get ready to loose some bots.