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What I am curious about is why you squeaky wheels that keep spinning in your own drama-QQ can't figure out a way to adapt, innovate, and overcome?

Why, for instance, does Burial mire himself in constant suggestions about how the game mechanics, that seem to work perfectly well, need this change or that change.

It just speaks to the complete fail of a try-hard attempting to manipulate a meta-game dynamic to their own "short-term" advantage.  This paradigm is laughable!!

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Norrdec wrote:

This reminds me of another corporation.

Here's roughly how it went: "Devs why am I getting killed by light ewar bots in my assault, I'm an assault bot and I can't catch up to them or do anything to them they just kill me and I dont want to fit frame because then I have no HP and I want to catch them with plate on"

Congratulations, you are officially recognized as ECORP Mk2.

Whoever can be assed can dig up those topics up. Only difference is, the QQ is about mechs vs heavies instead of light EW's vs assaults.

Here's a few to enjoy:
http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topi … aningless/
http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topic/840/ewars-op/
http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topi … nbalanced/

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http://i.imgur.com/XiKgaLj.png OMG EWAR OP.........

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http://i.imgur.com/XiKgaLj.png OMG EWAR OP.........

for realz

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155 Reply by Burial (edited by Burial 2013-12-19 16:33:57)

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People spec into combat just like people spec into Ewar. Specing into a bot is usual practice in Perpetuum and boasting about it is pointless. Nothing makes EW different from other bots and there's no reason people specced into it should be in overpowered bots with overpowered mechanics.

EW was fine 2-3 years ago when people had way less EP and there were no tuners. Things have changed and we need other tools than ECCM. These tools should have been added with the introduction of tuners but were not.

I'm not trying to nerf Ewar to hell. I just want a proper tool to mitigate even some of it that does not consume 3 head slots. I don't want it to be invulnerability either. I like playing my Vagabond just like I like playing my Kain and Mesmer. I'm well aware that there should be a drawback with that module.

This post is not a self-serving post of trying to field "min-max ERP heavies". It's just the fact that people are forced to go and subscribe additional accounts/use trials to be of any use on the field.

156 Reply by Norrdec (edited by Norrdec 2013-12-19 17:00:53)

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You already mitigate EWAR by fitting a single ECCM module, essentially forcing the EWAR pilot to apply additional modules to mitigate your DPS/range or drop range extender/EWAR to fit tuners.

What you're trying to do is metagame the Devs to tune the game to your advantage, instead of playing the game and going through the hassle of fielding the counter. You had time to move stuff in and harass us to death with lights/assaults, but guess it's easier to QQ on the forums about why heavies aren't stronk enough to have an I-win button against their only counter.

Here's an idea - protest and go play something else until heavies get all the i-win buttons you desire. I'm sure we can find something to PVE while you're away. Can't be that hard if you managed to do it.

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Your team doesnt train ewar.  Not the way we do, at least.

Would you just have your mesmser skills to just 6 or 7? nope

Would you just train your critical hit nexus to 5?  nope

and if you answered yes, again, you are doing it wrong


Burial wrote:

People spec into combat just like people spec into Ewar. Specing into a bot is usual practice in Perpetuum and boasting about it is pointless. Nothing makes EW different from other bots and there's no reason people specced into it should be in overpowered bots with overpowered mechanics.

EW was fine 2-3 years ago when people had way less EP and there were no tuners. Things have changed and we need other tools than ECCM. These tools should have been added with the introduction of tuners but were not.

I'm not trying to nerf Ewar to hell. I just want a proper tool to mitigate even some of it that does not consume 3 head slots. I don't want it to be invulnerability either. I like playing my Vagabond just like I like playing my Kain and Mesmer. I'm well aware that there should be a drawback with that module.

This post is not a self-serving post of trying to field "min-max ERP heavies". It's just the fact that people are forced to go and subscribe additional accounts/use trials to be of any use on the field.

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Speaking of EWAR, we know at least a dozen good counters to it just in case you guys start actually taking it seriously.

Ill be damned if I teach you any before that though.

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Burial wrote:

Passive ECCM module right now is a joke and reduces getting ECMed chance only about 10% on a heavy(from 50 to 40).

Burial, you have stated this math in a few places.  Your math is off.

Also, t4 ECCM modules are very powerful (especially for heavies) as the first ECCM reduces the chance for any ECM affecting the heavy by almost half (46% not 10%).

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Your team doesnt train ewar.  Not the way we do, at least.

Would you just have your mesmser skills to just 6 or 7? nope

Would you just train your critical hit nexus to 5?  nope

and if you answered yes, again, you are doing it wrong


Burial wrote:

People spec into combat just like people spec into Ewar. Specing into a bot is usual practice in Perpetuum and boasting about it is pointless. Nothing makes EW different from other bots and there's no reason people specced into it should be in overpowered bots with overpowered mechanics.

EW was fine 2-3 years ago when people had way less EP and there were no tuners. Things have changed and we need other tools than ECCM. These tools should have been added with the introduction of tuners but were not.

I'm not trying to nerf Ewar to hell. I just want a proper tool to mitigate even some of it that does not consume 3 head slots. I don't want it to be invulnerability either. I like playing my Vagabond just like I like playing my Kain and Mesmer. I'm well aware that there should be a drawback with that module.

This post is not a self-serving post of trying to field "min-max ERP heavies". It's just the fact that people are forced to go and subscribe additional accounts/use trials to be of any use on the field.

If someone doesn't bring 100500 ewars, that doesnt' mean he can't.

Think wider, bro, and ask yourself few things:

Is it intended that ewars should be able to double-tripple supress at 1300m?
Is it intended that to deal successfully with even 1 ECM you should fit at least 2x ECCM?
Is it intended that you should bring an ewar blob and just few dps without any restrictions?

Zoom, is something of that was intended?

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Line wrote:

If someone doesn't bring 100500 ewars, that doesnt' mean he can't.

Think wider, bro, and ask yourself few things:

Is it intended that ewars should be able to double-tripple supress at 1300m?
Is it intended that to deal successfully with even 1 ECM you should fit at least 2x ECCM?
Is it intended that you should bring an ewar blob and just few dps without any restrictions?

Zoom, is something of that was intended?

If we're not bringing 6 heavies per player, that doesn't mean we can't. We choose not to field heavies.

Why? Heavies are rock. Ewar is paper. You're talking out of your *** trying to metagame the Devs so they make your rock stronger then paper. Worse still, you're outright lying (triple suppression? need 2 ECCMs? 1300m range?).

Adapt or die.

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Norrdec wrote:

If we're not bringing 6 heavies per player, that doesn't mean we can't. We choose not to field heavies.

Why? Heavies are rock. Ewar is paper. You're talking out of your *** trying to metagame the Devs so they make your rock stronger then paper. Worse still, you're outright lying (triple suppression? need 2 ECCMs? 1300m range?).

Adapt or die.

Hey, if you don't know how to make a Zenith Mk2 2x-3x supress a target on 1300m - how the hell you're calling yourself an Elite Veteran Ewar player?

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Line wrote:
Norrdec wrote:

If we're not bringing 6 heavies per player, that doesn't mean we can't. We choose not to field heavies.

Why? Heavies are rock. Ewar is paper. You're talking out of your *** trying to metagame the Devs so they make your rock stronger then paper. Worse still, you're outright lying (triple suppression? need 2 ECCMs? 1300m range?).

Adapt or die.

Hey, if you don't know how to make a Zenith Mk2 2x-3x supress a target on 1300m - how the hell you're calling yourself an Elite Veteran Ewar player?


Can u share us ur Ewar fit in a picture?

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Jibril mazit wrote:
Line wrote:
Norrdec wrote:

If we're not bringing 6 heavies per player, that doesn't mean we can't. We choose not to field heavies.

Why? Heavies are rock. Ewar is paper. You're talking out of your *** trying to metagame the Devs so they make your rock stronger then paper. Worse still, you're outright lying (triple suppression? need 2 ECCMs? 1300m range?).

Adapt or die.

Hey, if you don't know how to make a Zenith Mk2 2x-3x supress a target on 1300m - how the hell you're calling yourself an Elite Veteran Ewar player?


Can u share us ur Ewar fit in a picture?

I'll share this info to the DEVs only, for obvious reasons. I'll PM any DEV who want to check that.

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Line wrote:
Jibril mazit wrote:
Line wrote:

Hey, if you don't know how to make a Zenith Mk2 2x-3x supress a target on 1300m - how the hell you're calling yourself an Elite Veteran Ewar player?


Can u share us ur Ewar fit in a picture?

I'll share this info to the DEVs only, for obvious reasons. I'll PM any DEV who want to check that.


U afraid u made a ineffective fitt to reach 1300m?

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Jibril mazit wrote:
Line wrote:
Jibril mazit wrote:

Can u share us ur Ewar fit in a picture?

I'll share this info to the DEVs only, for obvious reasons. I'll PM any DEV who want to check that.


U afraid u made a ineffective fitt to reach 1300m?

Yup, and I'm so shy I'll show that only to the daddie.

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You should start fielding those pro-fit 1300m suppressing zeniths. big_smile big_smile big_smile

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We all know the only counter for ewar is more ewar. Why don't we all admit it? Cant we all just get along?

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Line a forum warrior rarely seen on the field of combat. It's like the guy in finance telling the infantry soldier he's doing it wrong nothing more to see here move along.

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Shadowmine wrote:

We all know the only counter for ewar is more ewar. Why don't we all admit it? Cant we all just get along?

You're still catching up on PVP knowledge. That's why we win fights, and you lose them. Don't delude yourself that PVEing turrets makes you a PVP player.

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Still looking for that killmail Nordick....

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Here's a few recent ones I like:

http://www.perp-kill.net/?m=view&id=255630
http://www.perp-kill.net/?m=view&id=255631

Unfortunately I was late for your Seth Mk2 this time. Try not to die so fast next time aight?

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Line wrote:
Norrdec wrote:

If we're not bringing 6 heavies per player, that doesn't mean we can't. We choose not to field heavies.

Why? Heavies are rock. Ewar is paper. You're talking out of your *** trying to metagame the Devs so they make your rock stronger then paper. Worse still, you're outright lying (triple suppression? need 2 ECCMs? 1300m range?).

Adapt or die.

Hey, if you don't know how to make a Zenith Mk2 2x-3x supress a target on 1300m - how the hell you're calling yourself an Elite Veteran Ewar player?

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Norrdec wrote:

Here's a few recent ones I like:

http://www.perp-kill.net/?m=view&id=255630
http://www.perp-kill.net/?m=view&id=255631

Unfortunately I was late for your Seth Mk2 this time. Try not to die so fast next time aight?

Lol, so the only 2 kills you have been on were both people who had lagged out!!! LMAO!

How did I ever not see your Leet' skills? You are too funny.... But Im still glad your here!

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Shadowmine wrote:
Norrdec wrote:

Here's a few recent ones I like:

http://www.perp-kill.net/?m=view&id=255630
http://www.perp-kill.net/?m=view&id=255631

Unfortunately I was late for your Seth Mk2 this time. Try not to die so fast next time aight?

Lol, so the only 2 kills you have been on were both people who had lagged out!!! LMAO!

How did I ever not see your Leet' skills? You are too funny.... But Im still glad your here!

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