Ok Arga, I'm calling your bullshit here now.

Test comparing Kain MK2 tank to Vagabond MK2

Vagabond MK2: Shield, Accumulator Recharger, Frame.
Kain MK2: 2 Plates, Frame

Friend in Mesmer MK2 with EM guns and 4 damage tuners shot each of those bots.

RESULT
It took 7 shots to break Vagabond MK2 shield but only 4 shots to kill Kain MK2.

So don't tell here that Vagabonds/Zeniths can't tank.

Vagabond/Zenith has about 11k effective hitpoints that regenerate efficiently. 11k hitpoints, 640m range without Range Extenders, nearly 200 masking, about 10kmph faster than others and you say adding LOS makes them fodder.

There are many suggestions about ways to improve it, but first we should all be on the same page whether there is a problem. Do others here think the combination above is overpowered or not?

"If you miss a jam on heavy mk1 with no eccms fit in a vaga mk2 your fail."
-Lobo

They could just produce more interference to limit the situations where there is 20 enemies, with 18 of them are in ewars and other 2 are dd and rem-rep

All EW bots need to have there interference about tripled from the values they are now.

Then ECM needs to be nerfed, basically, into the ground.  Suppression needs a small tweak. 

ECM now, perma jam all anything below 80.  This should never be the case, it should be around 50 percent without tuners.  Tuners are there to make you better at it, not to make it better at nothing as your already hitting 100 percent of the time anyway.

Adding anything remote will just promote more masked follows, with RR ECCM's and RSA's.

You do have several options, do what is suggested above.

Or do what is suggested above, add in a second "short" range Ecm, with the current in-game values.  Just make them short range.  75meters and less.  Gives flexibility to the small bots, and greater control with the mechs.

ECCM doesn't help much. And I hardly doubt this game was intended as "whos ewar fleet bigger".

Good for you, you really should be getting 60/60 on a vaga mk2 vs mk1 heavy w/ no eccm. Look at the bonus for mk2 vaga. That should explain why your getting 60/60. The game is not heavy mech online it perpetuum. No one is telling you to stomp a heavy mech around. Your problem is your fleets are countered and you cant counter ours cry more.

Thanks for proving a point Lobo. Vagabond MK2 should get 100% jamms on a Heavy or "it's a fail".

bots have strengths and weaknesses, heavy weakness is its sen str.

You have the option of adding ECCM.

Working as intended.

If you want to start a forums campaign against something, you need to be at least correct about it in the first place.

ECCM is not powerful enough. We need an active module with some sort of drawbacks that doesn't consume 2-3 head slots(Mesmer MK1 has only 4!).

I wouldn't really hope you to agree with anything that we say. We say moon is in the sky, you say it's on the ground, we say milk is white, you say it's blue. We say EW is overpowered and you say no. It's fine.

What I do hope is DEV Zoom here reading and seeing everything we and you wrote and adding some sort of counter. EW should be the support role not EW doing most of the job and few heavies being the "support".

I'm not talking about effectively removing EW from the field, just a counter that doesn't require 2-3 head slots.

Do you even know what me and others are suggesting in this thread?