Exactly!

It's nuts you need to squeeze in atleast 3-4 ECCMs to make them noticably harder to land while at the same time losing two things that are vital: range and damage.

Some bots just don't have the luxury to have 3-4 slots free and be still even remotely useful in combat. Give us some other options that work in 1 slot, give it other draw-backs that are less vital than range and damage.

Are the few here really onlyones seeing the problem?

Reactor sealings need to be nerfed!!!

Again, you are missing the balance.  Neuts are LOS, Jams and suppression are not.  So make it all LOS and then your point stands.  So long as jams and suppression can hit through cover they are extremely overpowered.  Not to mention that the ECM and suppression tunnings are VASTLY superior to the Enwar tunnings.

What does your offense/defense argument even have to do with this?  If your accum is gone, or your completely locked out, either way your screwed.  I would also like to remind you that there are 2 classes of weapons that don't require accum to use, so neuts only effect the offense of certain weapons, and certain defenses.  If you are jammed out, you are effectively dead to the rest of your fleet.  Yes you might be able to rep a little but you are still effectively and completely out of the fight either way, so it doesn't really matter.

No. Dead is loss of equipment, travel time, and undocking delay. Jammed/supressed is 15s away from being fully functional if the ew bot is itself jammed or killed.

You can walk out of range for all warfare. All the bots are killable. There is no denying there, Arga.

We are here talking about balance. I don't understand how it's hard to comprehend it's overpowered and why there's continuous need to drag vague examples to illustrate some scenarios. One bot can effectively eliminate 2 bots from the battle. That mechanic itself has LOS advantage, range advantage and the bots applying it have speed advantage and masking advantage.

All we want here is to get it balanced against other similar bots. In the end we have a game that more people can enjoy and we all are happy.

Making them require LOS or adding better tools to counter it is hardly making them fodder. They still have way bigger range and superior speed. If Ictus can do it with shorter range while neuting own accumulator every time neuting others, then why Vagas and Zeniths have to be so easymode?

ECM and Suppressor has 10 sec cycle time. They might take few hits here and there, perhaps even reaching the point it's worth to fit a hardener. Don't see anything bad here. You are overreacting saying it's a fodder.

That's exactly how it should be. For the effect they have on the battlefield, they need to be more risky to play.

If you are thinking Vagabond/Zenith can't tank a shot or two then you are wrong.

I don't even know where to begin here. Are we talking about the same game? Game has changed a lot since you last played.

This thread is something you can't comprehend because you've been away too long.

I understand you genuinely believe you are right but don't expect current players and hopefully the devs to partake in your delusions.

Suppressor tuners.. don't even start there.

Anyway, LOS is just one of the possible solutions. Some other ideas gathered:

- Seperate ECM and Suppressors into long and short range.
- Active ECCM mod.
- Remote ECCM mod.
- Nerf EW nexus*
- Reduce ECM and Suppressor ewar strength.

Open to more suggestions.

* This is something that should be considered seperately, 29% bonus from a nexus is just too much.

Do you think 9/11 was done by goverment too? Global warming is a fraud?

Anyway, if you are not just attempting to troll then explain.

I'm not saying nerf the EW into uselessness and I have yet to read anyone suggesting that, so you are crying wolf on that one.  I have a zenith pilot and I don't want it to become useless either, i'm just saying BALANCE them.  Right now a zenith mkII can achieve a range of 760m+ with a 100% jam chance on a heavy with 1 Tuner, and can fire through terrain, that is not even considering adding in suppression. You should not have to break a build to counter a Zenith.  Adding 3-4 ECCMS to a heavy completely destroys its purpose. This is extremely overpowered.  Shorten the range, lower the hit chance, whatever solves it but keeps them useful.  What we are trying to point out is that in EVERY category zenith/vaga reign supreme.  Speed, range, hit chances, effectiveness, mobility, and LOS.  It wins in EVERY category except DPS and tank.   

Your point about the Zenith taking 1 volley from a heavy is not even relevant because a tyro/ictus/gropho with its shield down is just as squishy, and these are bots that are fighting on the front lines. The tyro/gropho has to drop its shields to shoot, which is not true for the EW bots.