Well wrote, good read ! Thx mainly I agree!

If you want to know why its game breaking, start reading last 50 pages.

Stop being lazy in game.

Rex, seriously, its about our self interests? Never has been. The only motivation for self interest SpT change has been from your side, with this thread, in order to break our monopoly on Gammas and Betas.

Simply because you didn't have the active playing numbers.
So you guys decide to punish us by this troll thread to remove a mechanic that favoured us because of our current position.

A simple 5-10 minute cooldown would have tweaked the mechanic so it would not be broken.

Your forum campaign worked on Zoom and you got a response ...  was the "broken" fixed? Nope, just less SpT. No cooldown fix at all. You all cried about the Steam influx, all your forum campaign did was make it more difficult for a new player to play in 66% of the game world. That will help them stay. Right. Walking is Good. Right.

You guys jumped the gun though. You cry for a change because it allowed us to control all the stations. Then you have playing numbers, equal or greater to our numbers and all of a sudden we lose outposts, our gammas get sieged ...

But no SpT change yet .... Oops ... hopefully the Devs don't notice ...

I guess us owning everything really WAS because of who was playing and who was not.

My interest is the health of the game, it needs fixing to retain players and grow. I don't support anything I think is not good for the game ... My corp, my alliance are but player made entities in the game, its not hardcoding ... all you guys have done is forum warriored a change to mechanic that helps you and doesn't even fix the basic problem. And then you have come in the last page or 2 and openly brag about what you did, not for the good of the game but how you are getting the change and how it screws us. Lol you must think the Devs are very stupid.

But, good luck, cya in game.

"our" side?

The Side of the spark debate about Spark mechanics?
Or Side on the political map about who is butt hurting whom?

There s a big difference. Sorry you can't help but marry the two.

And I joined this debate 30 pages ago, not 2. Re-read bud.

Also, this spark debate is only a subset of the overarching problem of navigation. Sparks were a terrible solution to an existing probelm. Sparks will be nerfed soon, but not even remotely enough.

Hopefully, Devs will find time for more global solution to overall navigation problem that will not also provide PvP inta power projection, like current version of SpT has done.

This is not a troll thread. Sorry you cannot distinguish the issues, separate the political affiliations and SEE beyond your own confusion.

Simply put, I don't think so.  I think it affects only the immediate, but will handicap the future. Just my opinion.

@ Jita, the recent station changes are simply a result of you guys having equal numbers, and the ability to take the stations by force. Nothing else. We don't have the numbers most nights when you do. We still have the SpTs at these locations.

@ Rex ...  not a troll thread? C'mon, Ville started it ... thats 80% guarantee right there.  Don't confuse the fact that the actual tiny sliver of a problem, a lack of a small cooldown on SpT, hasn't been used as an "excuse" to push this while a very big "side" benefit has been to handicap the largest alliance that was left playing.

Bottom line, I see you guys playing in numbers again and balance returning to the game, you see SpT change coming and us consolidating our SpT locations as the reason for the station change ... who's right? hard to say.  but please don't think for one second I don't understand everyones position and motivations.

...and there is Cassius admission to opposing SpT nerf due to personal self interest. Bro, the nerf effects us all. You should be happy because with a competent PvP opponent you would be the ones without outposts. And tough *** that you built 20 bases on Gamma and can't control them with 12 guys. My God!

/corp dialogue/
FYI ***, if I can find more time to play with newborn I'll be sure STC burns for destroying my assets in Langrum. And you have the balls to gloat about it being your northern core stronghold? When you cowards attacked it while we were away? Always liked you RL Cassius ...still do despite your forum ravings (beginning with your brazen CIR thread months ago). But in game I'll be seeking your tears. SpT irrelevant on this matter.
/corp dialogue/

The Spark Teleport System was used by STC to stuff money in their pockets for over a year abusing missions system and using "force projection" to easily defend many station islands with no penalties.

10's of Billions of nic in mission abuse.  The Spark teleport system was key in that happening.

That is the truth.

Everything else is BS

Ok ... whatever.
Please tell me, what would have been more effective to prevent this abuse?

The current proposed SpT changes.
A 5-10 minute cooldown for sparking.

The Devs left things as they were because the actual fix, the new assignment system, was coming "soon". It's not our fault, nor is it yours, they took far longer than they expected to implement that system, which incidentally also efffectively prevented missions from being lucrative.

Again, how many on your side ran missions when you controlled Dom before? You were happy to allow me to pay you for the privelege of running missions there ... is it my problem you did not take advantage of the stations and the missions you controlled at that time? Sounds like a "you" problem to me.

If 5 people are playing a game thats designed for 5000, and 4 of those people are on the same side, of course there's force projection. Lol, the only thing that will stop the force projection is when the lone dude gets some of his buddies back and the numbers are equal.

Lo and Behold, look whats happening.

If SpT had a cooldown timer longer than the time it would take to walk between stations on Beta for accepting assingments, then SpT would not have been a factor, right?

Hence why I say all that was needed was a 5-10 minute cooldown. Use your brains and figure it out.
Also, you all VOLUNTARILY STOPPED PLAYING ... that was your choice not ours. We continued to play. Why cry about a choice you made that gave us an advantage?

You guys are like the kid who loses at a game and threatens to go home, hoping everyone will stop playing and follow him, but all the other kids keep playing. Eventually the kid stops crying and keeps playing because he likes the game.

Welcome back, the game is far more challenging with you playing. Cya in game.

Cooldown for SpT or for deploying after SpT - that's the question.

I agree with you that it's needs tweaking. Instant jumping between Beta terminals to check the islands out for PVP opportunities is probably very offputing to anyone trying to live on Beta. Only problem is the fix: People acknowledge there is a problem but the actual solution does very little to fix it.

It's still possible to have sparks in all of the Beta terminals.
It's still possible to instantly spark your fleet around with little to no concequences.

Only people getting the tail end here are people on Gamma who aren't the problem.

With the change proposed that will be the same, just less points to visit. 10-15 min cooldown will suit better.