I was pointing out that now you guys are complaining about something and using the same argument you used with the "Oh we should change cause you don't like it."

It's not about you guys being able to defend your outposts. And btw, I wasn't around when spark teleports were implemented, so I never used it against you guys. Besides, what I've been arguing for is a pretty descent compromise for everyone. 10 minute undock timer on beta only. Everyone keeps their sparks to gamma and alpha with no cooldown. No cooldown to spark to or from an outpost on beta, but also no instant undock heavy mech pwnage squads either. You must commit yourself to an outpost for defense. You also must commit yourself early.

It works the same way for everyone and we'll have to live with it same as you. The biggest thing I've been against is sparking anywhere instantly AND being able to undock a fleet of heavy mechs instantly. Now you guys can show how mature you are and agree that a compromise is needed here. This shouldn't hamper your ability to defend the stations you have if you can still field the fleets, but it WILL stop people spark ganking, which is the part I feel is overpowered.

Actually we gave clear, accurate and precise reasons why it is broken.  The only rebuttal has been, "I'm lazy and I want EZ Mode".  Pants on head go!

the crux of why i think all of your arguments are wrong.  The system we have now is the same for everyone.  you just don't control any Beta's.  do the work to get them, then enjoy the advantages.

Your reasons are your opinions, not facts, I too have my opinions, not facts, on whats wrong with the game. I don't think SpT is one of the root causes, I think its a symptom magnified by the current game state. No pants on head, or hidden political adgenda here.

You haven'tproven anything yet, and I guess neither have we since we still have this discussion.

I like this idea too. Actually at this point I could be convinced to limit spark targets to 1 or 2 without usage limits, remove&reimburse the extension and be done with this

This is good idea, if used in conjunction with the advanced spark teleport skill. Otherwise, outposts for everyone and no pvp to be had anywhere.

Edit: And man do the indy guys get screwed, huh?

Here is the old teleport network: http://cloud.imidero.net/repository/old … etwork.png

That was movement before Spark Teleports. Now we might be forced to start moving with the current teleport network. People back then used to whine about traveling when you could move from any island to another one with few teleports, but what about now?

Notice how you can get pretty much anywhere from any island with 1 teleport chain and 1-2 beacons.

I'm not saying the idea is bad, I really feel indifferent, but the network needs a closer look and so do beacons.

TBH Dev Zoom, I think Mongolia's idea is better. It is still more limiting than the current system forcing corps to choose what gamma / beta terminals they really want, but more flexible for industrialists that never go to the PvP zones but want spark access to markets across Alphas (or are remote buy / sell orders going to be possible along with some kind of contract system???). I think Mongolia's suggestion would also work better for the new players coming in by allowing them to have one or two sparks on Alpha 1 very quickly and as they grow they can delete those sparks and start setting them appropriately at a beta and / or gamma terminal if they chose to join a corp that has such a presence. Whether it is DOY, JOKE, PHM, RAWR, REMEDY, STC, or others, we all have at least one gamma base, one beta terminal, and something else where we have a spark set and use (note to the critics of this statement I am not saying that you may own all these things, but you or someone in your corp / alliance does use them). The only difference is that it would be three potential sparks in the PvP zones (assuming the extension is trained up to the appropriate level), rather than the one or two you suggest. Either way it would drastically change the nature of Spark Teleporting. As for what kind of impact this will have we can only speculate until the change is made and we see what everyone does.

Sounds good to me. That would allow alpha / gamma transfer and people who owned stations would still have a blood spark advantage.

I like it Mongolia good one! Make it DEVs.

Improvements:

All alpha 1 outposts cost 1 spark slot
All alpha 2 outposts cost 2 spark slots
All pvp zone outposts cost 3 spark slots (betas & gammas)
-owned beta op your corp (1 slot or 2)
-owned gamma op your corp (1 slot or 2)

Zoom DO IT !

Just don't forget to limit or remove blood sparking.

I like this idea, tho i still think a cool down after use is needed.

True Pros make a Podcast to influence the Devs minds, 
The rest of you guys are Hacks

PS. I got my Highways & stopped playing b4 they came in & have never used them! ...... Irony much ?