Will you be reimbursing EP?

With the extension there is no point to field EW Mechs anymore, a single ECCM turns them into a liability.

People have accounts completely dedicated to EW, you should reimburse those extensions since they will be useless and not fielded anymore.

20% increase on top of Assault/Mech Sensor Strength + 1 ECCM = ~35% jam, that's a liability I would never bring to my fleet Zoom.

+ theres bound to be 1 of those things from the list implemented, guaranteed liability & useless account.

EDIT:

Just realized I overlooked the small print, so:

20% increase to BASE VALUE of SS
20% increase to ECCM (90 SS)

Meaning;

MECH & ASSAULT -> 120 SS + 90 SS = 210 SS

Max Vaga EW Strength = 73,5

All of that equals to ~30-35% RNG Variable per ECM

Ultimate result being it's better to bring a RR Bot or a Heavy Mech that can output armor/repair/energy/damage 100%, since EW Mech is unreliable and pointless for fleets.

TL;DR

You should reimburse if you put this in.

OK STC got what they wanted the nerf is coming

We will re spec with DPS we will see what the next nerf will be

You are making this game into MWO or WOT

Ya lets wait for test server but for prior changes we all know how this gonna end.

ECM tunings are op no question about it but giving extension for ECCM ?  like mention before im force now to learn an extension to be effective.

If  the devs decide to  nerf ewar to oblivion will this mean a free reimbursement ?

I stand by what I've been saying for the last 10+ topics

ECM, ECCM and EWar is balanced fine, the only potential issue is tuning-stacking which is a global game issue.

Change the debuff for ECM tuning from 10% accumulator to 50% cycletime increase and FIXED.

You're trying to fix what isn't broken. There's no mechanic known to man that can nerf 20 people working together to kill 5 people.

We use Ewar effectively and opponents do not.

That doesnt make it imbalanced

One step at a time Devs. You can't test balancing when you change multiple things at once.

Pls. explain it, I dont think the EW is unbalanced right now, and when you have 20 v 20 it isnt easy to implement the EW on the battlefield so you need skilled pilots to take advantage from EW.

If something not broken dont try to fix it !

Another mandatory extension is the least favorable solution to whatever problems you're trying to solve. Revert nao.

Just tweak base sensor strengths and the amount of ECCM bonus (SLIGHTLY) to make ewar a bit weaker. Overall, EW system is fine as it is.

Also, an idea for big changes: make ecm/supp strength proportional to the target distance.

I really am not in favor of doing much of anything outside of the tuner. There is a fine a balance that exists now and I am curious to what the whole issue is that needs to be solved.

The current extension is not only mandatory for PvP but also allows mechs to have higher EW strength than a suppresser. This alone breaks the  full ew that would stop you from targeting because suppression would fail and allow you to lock and  fire. A current ECCM does the same thing for every bot now.

I would like to know what we are trying to solve to help come up with ideas if we can get some definition.

The reason why we thinking about changing some parameters of the ECM is we always see forum topics, ingame chats, reports about how strong it is, how OP it is.
Also we are not really like the possibility of making a player totally blind, and unable to shoot back. Ew is somekind of CC (CrowdControl), it should buy time, lower the threat, provide better control of damage you recieve but should not be able to negate it completely, from any source( per player - and we also want to keep the differences between bots). We also want it too keep worthy of using it.

The buff-debuff with the ecm strength on successful ew hit  is aimed to achieve this, by lowering the chances of each following ew in given timeperiod. However with little awareness you can play around it, and still be able to ecm and suppress reliably but less often on the same target, and you should have to switch between targets to bring your EW to its maximum potential. It is some form of diminishing returns and it can be seen in many games (even for damage)

The idea of the extension is simple, with a given amount of EP spent you can slightly lower the chances of being hit by EW. We working on the modification of the extension so it should provide this bonuses to the ECCM only.
We recieved feedback manytimes that we shouldn't nerf stuff, instead make other stuff better. We intend to make ECCM better.

But eventually the problem is the reliability of the EW is too high, which is achieved by the tunings. We also working on this that the tuners should work differently. We like the idea of more drawback, flat increase, maybe flat percentage increase, or even cycletime increase, these are all a good option, but it doesn't mean that any of it will be made for sure.
We also thinking about the racial radartypes, that would bring another layer of complexity which I like, but we fear that some of the EW modules would become highly situational.
Also keep in mind that we don't talk about only fleet compositions, we have to take the funfactor of individual players into account.
(and in the future all of the tunings and similar modules will be revised)

"The buff-debuff with the ecm strength on successful ew hit  is aimed to achieve this, by lowering the chances of each following ew in given timeperiod. "

I hate to say this, but our battle communication skills and planning are going to make this even worse for the people who are on the dying end of every battle.

We can easily adapt and it will be bad for the opposition, very bad.

bad

I think we've shown with our math in this thread just how wrong all those 'forums posts and ingame chats' are. People dont like to die, and will whine about whatever kills them.

You guys are looking at this too short term and small picture. In a small 30 vs 30 fight ewar can play a pretty big role, sure. Those are the biggest fight this game can currently field.

However if your steam initiative is successful, and it sounds like its going to be since you are able to splurge for double ramen, the dynamics are going to change considerably. Having blanket coverage ewar in a 50 vs 50 or 100 vs 100 fight just isnt possible. The logistics involved with coordinating that is too good for even the best corps/players to achieve. In addition, as DPS reaches critical mass, ewars will begin getting easily one shot and eliminated instantly.

As the game grows ewar will less and less powerful naturally, without any dev intervention. Fix the tunings to a static amount if you must, but let the delicate balance you've struck otherwise stand on its own two legs for a bit. You arent designing the game for the tiny subset of folks you have been for the last year, you're designing it for the future.