Celebro, even the game lore promotes SpT ... Remember, no "humans" are actually on Nia. Its a spark that remote controls a robot. So of course sparks should move instantly between points. But no physical instant spark. Bots dont move.

What you cannot do, with SpT:

You cannot move items and commodities. Sure, for PvP a Scarab into a terminal supplies all your PvP needs for months. But what about a indy manufacturing or mining operation on Gamma? You are constantly producing aomething that needs to be hauled, you constantly need to haul hauling bots back to the indy site. Much travel is involved. SpT only removes at best half of it.

Ie: I have 5 scarabs of minerals to move
From Imi to Hersh. Travel to Hersh, SpT back, repeat 4 more times, travel back to Imi with a Scarab full of .. Scarabs.

Power projection, of course SpT is an advantage to the defend with moving active players to a controlled Beta outpost in case of a disturbance.  But to do this you first need enough active players with SpT at that exact outpost, and once they are on terrain they cannot SpT elsewhere until they return to station.

So SpT only travels between owned outposts.

THERE IS NO INSTANT TRAVEL WHILE YOU ARE ON TERRAIN
YOU CANNOT TRAVEL TO A STATION YOU ARE LOCKED OUT OF

These are the limitations to SpT and they are quite important.
Using the CURRENT political landscape, our enemies can only SpT to 3 of 18 Beta stations. Therefore our power projection advantage is HUGE over our enemies. Because of SpT? No, because we OWN the stations.
If the enemy played in more numbers we wouldn't own as many and our power projection would be substantially less.

SpT helps, but we don't have what we have BECAUSE of SpT.
This is exactly why your argument to nerf SpT is flawed. You are confusing cause and effect.

What no one seems to realize is after we exhaust our stockpiles of Epi, having to get it from Beta will effectively hamper unlimited expansion by one corp. Anyone building MPC know the amount of Epi needed for structures and terraforming, moving the mineral to Beta only does an excellent job of limiting Gamma growth, while making Beta valuable.

And please, warfare on gamma is not limited to siege only. There's plenty of PvP when there are actually defenders. No base is safe. As intended. It just takes time to wipe out something that players put a ton of effort into. This is also as intended.

There is nothing wrong with Gamma as is, especially when the Epi change becomes fully understood.
Merkle you are now shoot on sight.

The reason why this thread was started. Has nothing to do with the actual game.
Commence next forum campaign in 3, 2, 1 ....

Maybe both you and Arga should try the "login" button.

Edit: lol didn't get to the end before I saw Martha used the burn already.  STC wins the forums!

Arga. I really like you. You are articulate and generally come across as a smart guy. However even the smartest can be completely stupid. This would be that time.

Please consider.
Does a wipe remove experience?
Does a wipe remove corp structure?
10 minutes after a full wipe and reset, would you bet against Lemon or Merkle against anyone in pvp with their arkhes?

All the current corps will simply reform, and quickly dominate the virgin landscape, as before. A new player with no prior knowledge or experience of the game will be left far behind, quickly.

The only thing a wipe does is remove the assets of those currently playing. It's easy mode for those disgruntled with the game and cant be assed to re-establish themselves via gameplay.

Who is confused?

Do you think EvE should reroll too? I mean, to give the noobs a fair shot at 0.0 sov?

@ Beast ... Try and leave the smack out ..
And do you and Gunner actually think that a second server will have any other effect different from the total wipe you are suggesting?

@ Gunner ... Is this the new forum campaign now?
You make a post about us in denial, we are alone in a dead game, then a few posts later on congrats you won, lets re-roll. Holy sarcasm much?

Judging from the SpT topic is it your intention to spam this topic with the same message in every post, written in different ways? People may be on to you. You say no easy mode, yet you want everything on easy mode. The arguement that a newbie can't own a Gamma is bullshit. Not because this is not true but because this is the way the game is meant to be. Why don't you delete your EvE accounts and start a few new players and sail off into lowsec and 0.0 and be the leet PvPer you are. Both games require a time based progression of your character's abilities. The game needs these timesinks in order to have a reason for players to extend their subs.

Maybe I will try and get on topic.

I support a server wipe. With conditions. And for good reasons, not simply because it may get new players.

Wipe the server if the mechanics that cause lag and memory consumption cannot be fixed any other way.  Basically if the code can be fixed only by a reset then do it. Use it to make a better running game, not an even political landscape.
And if wiped, compensate the player base with their assets and time in the new server.  Bring a percentage of a players nic, EP, and even Gamma structures into the new server. I could live with a third of my assets and EP on a new server if the game itself was recoded to be rock solid, hardware resource savy, and solid gameplay mechanics.

This is the only way I could see a wipe considered. I don't play EvE anymore. What would the reaction on the EvE forums be if I posted the game needs to be wiped because the estabilshed power block are too strong and have too much advantages compared to the new player. You'd be the first to post bullshit on that thread Gunner to preserve your 120 mil SP pilot.

Yet its perfectly fine to post here about a wipe because you no longer have any assets and own any structures or terminals. Makes perfect sense.

So you are saying the players who don't play are the ones who the Devs listen to? You spend $10 to have one account so you can post on the forums to attempt to influence a game you don't play. I spend $50 on my 5 accounts but also only have one voice on the forums, and find myself put into a position to defend a game I play against people who don't play.

You are completely stupid if for some reason you think I voice my opinion here simply for my own advantage. I am well aware, as is most of those I play with that the game is at a critical junction. If the game is not attractive to new players and cannot retain and drastically increase its population, it's done. Do you think I want a faulty mechaninc in a game just because of my own benefit?

***, all we have is a difference of opinion.

Hmm. Let's say I'm a disgruntled bitter ex player. Let's say I may even have a few corpies that fall into the same category. Let's say I criticize the devs continually. Let's say I am only subbed to essentially post on the forums, I'm not actively playing the game, I can't be bothered to put the effort required to hold a Beta Station, much less a Gamma. I spend most of my gaming time playing other games which I'm happy to brag about here, constantly.

My enemies hold everything. They are the only ones still actively playing, actively subbing all their accounts, not just one for forum trolli.... Err posting.

You implement this long cooldown system.

My and my corpies go on a roam, and cause my enemies to spark around to various locations in a short time.
Then I do what I say I'm doing and play other games.

Who gets *** here? The guy that plays the game and now has to travel everywhere because some idiot who doesn't play takes advantage of a system thats implemented because of a forum campaign.

Be careful of what you do Devs.

This point will occur if your politcally motivated campaign to change SpT beyond 5 minutes succeeds and in the game future when you are actually playing in an active corp with assets and bases and you need to move between them. Then you will remember and understand why we told you so, not to change it.

Lemon whether you killed the miner pre or post SpT, your location becomes known. The nature of roaming PvP generally means a smaller mobile force, that gets in, kills, and escapes or finds another target. The one thing this force DOES NOT DO is sit and hang around for a response fron the territory owner. This is the same in ANY game. The only way you combat a large force is with a larger force. SpT changes the dynamics of this PvP but hasn't killed it.

Make Epi a Beta only resource. This would solve so many issues and arguments in this game including this SpT thread, I really don't understand why this doesnt get implimented right away.

Umm, OP, how about artifact on another Island? Wouldn't this solve everything without wasting time and resources on coding?

As it is now, the artifact sites are reset with every server restart ... That usually happens at least once a month for a variety of reasons .... No need for any new coding when there are 36 islands to Artifact on.

I've bolded and underlined the important part here. Perp is a game of conflict. Of course the largest and strongest corp is king of the hill. It's not broken, It's exactly the way it's meant to be.

When there was a force to oppose us of equal or greater numbers there was balance in the game, and PvP. The less overall population, the less PvP.

A change in SpT will not change the current political control landscape, Our simple 10 man corp controls everything simply because there isn't a equal 10 man corp to oppose us. That is what will change the landscape of the game.
The majority of you posting in this thread about changing SpT voluntarily stopped playing the game, continually preached how Beta's were dead and worthless. So you stopped actively playing the game, Beta's are worthless ... but the most important thing now is to change SpT because we are the dominant power in the game and control .. wait for it, .. all the Betas?

Seriously, you can do better than this.  This is exactly why this is a troll Ville. You never said a peep when you had a gamma or when you were running missions.

The funny thing is I think Khader said it best what I thought ... that when SpT was first introduced the fact that it had no cooldown seemed crazy, and even I thought, at that time, that it would be changed quickly. But it didn't. And now after playing I no longer see a reason why it should ... It promoted quick movement to gammas, and caused many players to increase the number of bots they needed to have on hand, a boon for the economy and the game.  I have stated several times in this thread if a cooldown was implemented, a simple 5 minute cooldown would suffice to kill the mission imbalance, and even the dreaded "power projection" I don't think a cooldown is needed but could live with a 5 minute one.

Ville before you troll another "I'd like to point out a 1 hour cooldown is fair" perhaps explain WHY 1 hour is fair?

I'd like to point out that forum posting should be limited to outpost owners and that the number of outposts = the number of daily allowable posts. Ville I will go a step further and state this is fair because outpost ownership shows a commited effort in playing the game, therefore players committed to the game should be heard.  Clearly as you have stated "The monthly fee of $10 I spend to troll the forums is the best investment ever" type of player is not good for the game.  And not to punish new players all NPC corp players should also be allowed to post on the forums. I type this with the straightest possible face and with absolutely no political motivation whatsoever. And I'm not trolling.

Arga, for the record, SpT and my opinion has absolutely nothing to do with me not wanting to give up an "advantage".
I could care less if we lose our Beta's ... I clearly remember the drag that travel was before SpT and the difference it has made. I think it's good for the game ... the number of SpT should never be increased beyond 10 ...