http://killboard.sequer.nl/index.php?a= … ;zone_id=9

new heat maps are pretty pimp

These are also non-specific which is nice.

Death Cords are just as good info for pvper and industrials to avoid hot zones so I don't see the problem here.

Technically, you'd still need the full dataset to be able to compile hotzones (specifically heatmaps).

Umm no. Exact coordinates are just that, exact. Same thing you get when you scan someone down in EVE. The ability to go exactly to where they are or exactly where they were. EVE Systems = Perpetuum Islands since there are different places you can go within these areas.

If having these coordinates isnt such a big deal then why the big argument to keep them?

So let me get this straight. So far I've heard:
- Its on a delay so its not that big of a deal.
- More data is better.
- EVE api has way more stuff.
- Both sides get to use it.

So far STC has not offered up one reason why the feature should be kept for the betterment of the game. All politically motivated BS.

Wrong again m8. The only players pushing hard to keep this "trivial" information on the API are members of STC. Since those players are the main veterans of STC its clearly politically motivated. I dont know why youre trying to spin this. Zoom has asked for the community to decide on this one and so far there hasnt been one valid argument brought up on why this data benefits the community. Many points have been brought up on how it can be abused. Like it was requested before either add something good to this discussion or dont post. Good day.

Either post something constructive or dont. Good day Anni.

Would you mind summarising the case for the removal of specific coordinates? I didn't actually see any compelling arguments for that while skimming through the last page.

Aye Pod, you attach far more weight to your "pro" removal and trivialize my "keep" points.

I don't think its a big deal. You think it will be abused. Got it. We disagree.
Its nothing more than that. It has nothing to do with politics.

But if there is one thing that these forums have show is the loudest and most persistent voices influence decisions, not necessarily logic. So continue to attack other people FOR their opinion, rather than WHAT their actual opinion is.

It works.

By the way, please refute these arguments if you can.

Harvester dies, co ords show where Norg planted ..... kill the harvester when he returns
umm ... What harvester would continue to harvest a blown field?

15 minute delay, co ords allow response.
Ok, kill someone and .... wait? In 15 minutes you can be 2 islands away.

Location of traps revealed by co ords. Newbs can use this info to avoid ganks.
With the wide range of PvP and reasons for why it occurs, looking at a killmail doesn't reveal the why it happened, more by whom and where.

Killboard run by major faction toon, special access/info withheld/advantage
This is the most political, and weakest argument of all. Anyone who wishes to produce stuff for the perp community has access to the data. There is more than one KB, the same data is available on both at the same time. If a toon your alliance wishes to produce a KB that has open access to everyone I am sure he would get the same data.

Nothing to do with politics. Understand. You don't have to agree, but get off the political bullshit for once.

The best part!  I can do this while I am at work, sitting behind a computer for hours!  Otherwise I would hear about it multiple hours later when I have limited time play and the wife is chewing my ear off and most likely I would forget.  It's like being able to play perpetuum with out even logging in.  It's great!  It's like I can get every scouting report I typically would have forgotten about when I logged in.  Even Today.  Fred Phelps was strategically moved to be able to Monitor Pakaws movements while he hit probes and was able to keep him on radar the entire time when he left Yula.  All this was made possible by Doek's website and pakaws highly predictable nature.

Im mostly seeing lots of hyperbole and sarcasm, mostly by people wanting to get rid of this feature, it seems. Are you guys honestly worried about pattern analysis of the kills and heat-maps? Because i'm not seeing many arguments that are making other points ...