1 (edited by Hunter 2013-03-18 14:49:07)

Topic: Fix the follow bots

The game became pay to win type long time ago. This is annoying. I ask to stop this obvious disbalance.
There are need to fix follow bots. It should be useless in PvP.
Q: How to fix?
A: Switch off auto cycles of offencive/support eqipment when PvP flag is active (weapons, jammers, neuts, remote repairers, etc).

There could be problems with RSA. But actually not. Just need increase effect time x4 and decrease cycle timers.

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Re: Fix the follow bots

So what happens when someone is extremely good at multi boxing and someone else isn't?

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Re: Fix the follow bots

I would like to get DeV's answer. If they will claim perp "pay to win" type - okay.

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Re: Fix the follow bots

It's not pay to win, its a different play style, that you may or may not be good at.  Demob and ECM a follow bot and see how useful they become to a player.

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Re: Fix the follow bots

Ville wrote:

It's not pay to win, its a different play style, that you may or may not be good at.  Demob and ECM a follow bot and see how useful they become to a player.

so weapons should shoot by itself? And should win that guy who paid more subscriptions?

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Re: Fix the follow bots

Hunter wrote:
Ville wrote:

It's not pay to win, its a different play style, that you may or may not be good at.  Demob and ECM a follow bot and see how useful they become to a player.

so weapons should shoot by itself? And should win that guy who paid more subscriptions?

Kinda like gamma turrets?

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Re: Fix the follow bots

Ville wrote:
Hunter wrote:
Ville wrote:

It's not pay to win, its a different play style, that you may or may not be good at.  Demob and ECM a follow bot and see how useful they become to a player.

so weapons should shoot by itself? And should win that guy who paid more subscriptions?

Kinda like gamma turrets?

That's why you dislikes idea. It's hard to take gamma bases without alts. But i think that problem should be solved by other ways.

For example i have 10 ppl in corp and you have 10 ppl. My ppl do not use alts instead of your. So your corp will have unfair advantage.

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9 (edited by Heliaso 2013-03-18 15:23:43)

Re: Fix the follow bots

No problem for me , if Devs refound my money for my second account because i take it only for RR/RE.

Re: Fix the follow bots

Remove approach command and followbots are solved. Some people can multibox, some people can't - that's fine.

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Re: Fix the follow bots

I dislike the idea because I use multiple accounts.  Why because it saves me TIME.  Time is a precious commodity for me.  It's not about just a follow bot it's about time and population and enabling a small group of people to engage larger groups.  Hunter I understand your argument but honestly can it be done at current population?  The answer is simply no.

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Re: Fix the follow bots

Heliaso wrote:

No problem for me , if Devs refound my money for my second account because i take it only for RR/RE.

You paid for account to have unfair advantage compare to fair players who uses 1 account in PvP. You played enough and got enough profit with it. More than you not been banned for exploit using. So you should be happy.

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13 (edited by Hunter 2013-03-18 15:47:14)

Re: Fix the follow bots

Ville wrote:

I dislike the idea because I use multiple accounts.  Why because it saves me TIME.  Time is a precious commodity for me.  It's not about just a follow bot it's about time and population and enabling a small group of people to engage larger groups.  Hunter I understand your argument but honestly can it be done at current population?  The answer is simply no.

How it saves your time? You kill enemy faster? smile But this is not fair advantage. Every follow bot can replace real player on the field. The squads not use dedicaded armor repairers - alts only. I even not talk about nexus and detectors. The game should be equal for everyone.
If you talk about PvE - there wont be a problem. I asked to disable autocycles only for PvP flagged chars.

About population - you wont solve the problem by such way - using multiboxed veteran accounts against new solo casual players.

It's better to solve problem now. Else you have a time bomb.

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Re: Fix the follow bots

So multi boxer risks +2 Bots in pvp ,you only risk 1, seems quite fair to me. I personally don't like to multi box though.

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Celebro wrote:

So multi boxer risks +2 Bots in pvp ,you only risk 1, seems quite fair to me. I personally don't like to multi box though.

There are risk only for multiboxed peaceful miners on beta. smile Combat chars decreases their risk with multibox.

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16 (edited by Kokomut 2013-03-18 15:59:42)

Re: Fix the follow bots

Following your logic, people who have more time to play in a given day be restricted as well because it is an advantage? maybe we should just limit everyone to 1 hour play everyday.

Re: Fix the follow bots

Hunter wrote:

More than you not been banned for exploit using. So you should be happy.

What exploit did i use ? Each time that Devs accused me , they did their apologizes for their mistakes.

18 (edited by Hunter 2013-03-18 16:34:06)

Re: Fix the follow bots

Kokomut wrote:

Following your logic, people who have more time to play in a given day be restricted as well because it is an advantage? maybe we should just limit everyone to 1 hour play everyday.

Nope. I not ask about total nerf. Alts will save their functions for PvE. And of course old veterans should have advantage because of older subscription.

Heliaso wrote:

What exploit did i use ? Each time that Devs accused me , they did their apologizes for their mistakes.

Exploit is: you have unfair advantage by using multiple accounts in PvP especially against solo (fair) players or squads where ppl uses one account per human as well.
This is not justify you that many ppl doing same. BTW i remind you not banned. So be happy.

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Re: Fix the follow bots

This mulitboxing 'issue' never comes up in that other game, removing approach command does not make the game any better.

Next time you see a follow bot assume it's human player because 1. sub has been paid 2. You see more than 1 bot in landmarks. 3. You can get 2 kills instead of 1.

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Re: Fix the follow bots

Celebro wrote:

This mulitboxing 'issue' never comes up in that other game, removing approach command does not make the game any better.

Next time you see a follow bot assume it's human player because 1. sub has been paid 2. You see more than 1 bot in landmarks. 3. You can get 2 kills instead of 1.

I repeat: Nope. I not ask about total nerf. Alts will save their functions for PvE. And of course old veterans should have advantage because of older subscription.

I call for fair PvP with equal conditions for everyone. Nobody should be able multiple his power by using multiple accounts.

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Re: Fix the follow bots

simply - the game is set up this way, the majority of the remaining playerbase wants it that way, and DEVs said players will do it because the can and nothing on their side will change that.

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Re: Fix the follow bots

So if it's that big of a problem, remove ability to follow or remove ability to follow AND cycle modules at the same time. It's the only thing allowing account-stacking to become a widespread "bring 3 accounts to PVP or don't bother" occurence.

There is a reason why we call them FOLLOWBOTS.

I'm personally looking forward to the maiden voyage of the good ship Steamtanic once the peeps from there realize they'll be payin ~20-30$ a month for a good number of months before they can get competitive outside of being barely adequate cannon fodder.

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Syndic wrote:

So if it's that big of a problem, remove ability to follow or remove ability to follow AND cycle modules at the same time. It's the only thing allowing account-stacking to become a widespread "bring 3 accounts to PVP or don't bother" occurence.

There is a reason why we call them FOLLOWBOTS.

I'm personally looking forward to the maiden voyage of the good ship Steamtanic once the peeps from there realize they'll be payin ~20-30$ a month for a good number of months before they can get competitive outside of being barely adequate cannon fodder.

RAWR = prime example.

Re: Fix the follow bots

lets remove Hunters instead

Re: Fix the follow bots

Syndic wrote:

So if it's that big of a problem, remove ability to follow or remove ability to follow AND cycle modules at the same time. It's the only thing allowing account-stacking to become a widespread "bring 3 accounts to PVP or don't bother" occurence.
There is a reason why we call them FOLLOWBOTS.

Where is difference? You repeat my idea just to make it useless in combat (because of switching to manual control).

Syndic wrote:

I'm personally looking forward to the maiden voyage of the good ship Steamtanic once the peeps from there realize they'll be payin ~20-30$ a month for a good number of months before they can get competitive outside of being barely adequate cannon fodder.

1) If you look backward, you will see that we wait miracle 2 years.
2) There wont be a problem with extra 20-30$ because of ppl will use alts in pve to reimburse their losts in PvP faster.

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