+1

Also need Noctis to go with Scavenging, and tractor beams please.

+1 to the OP and a +1 to indy bots (or a couple) getting a scavenger bonus. Or maybe base the bonus on the faction extension level.

Can you list the mechanics that would cause this feature problems. that way we all know them and the DEVs know them too.

your still looking on it from the farmers standpoint, and from the perspective of empty islands with 3 mindless roaming npc caravans.

im looking at npcs with the factional mastermind... that is not letting you kill their scouts without calling in for reinforcements.

don't look at my request topics as an enclosed entitiy, i got several simultanius on long term requests our there - and one is a sandbox AI...

Imo the lack of casual pvp is still the biggest single reason for the low population.  Closely followed by lack of advertising.

Perhaps missions that would ask you to hunt down a specific (randomly chosen) npc on a beta or gamma island (and pay out a hefty bounty and standings reward) would be a straight forward way to address this.

Sundial, that's exactly what I'm talking about.  I remember roaming for hours and not finding anything even when the population was high.  It's a problem that's been there from the start.

Imo the fundamental reason for it is that people have nothing to gain (in terms of resources/NIC) by running around beta in pvp fit bots. 

When people do need to do missions or mine they group up and use detectors, scouts and probes to be almost 100% safe.  This may be more "realistic" but it doesn't make for a fun game.

I'm not saying we should make mining or regular mission running risky at this point because most people (even vets) can't afford to lose their mining or mission running bots (since they are such a logistical pain to replace).  What I'm suggesting is that there should be rewards for people who are willing to risk relatively cheaply fit pvp bots. 

At the moment that kind of casual pvp is punished in two ways:
1) you don't win anything.
2) odds are you won't even find a fight and will simply have wasted hours of your time.

Perpetuum has immense potential but new players are rightly skeptical given the ridiculous amount of time you need to spend grinding compared to the time you may spend doing something exciting.

Oh yes, how could I forget...

It was bad long before walls though.

The thing is that killing miners isn't really PvP.  It's PvHP (Player vs Helpless Player or Player vs Hit Points on the industrial bot).  What is needed for a fun game is for there to be fights between foes of comparable ability and some kind of benefit for the winner (other than looting the enemy's red-damaged T1 armor plate)

No I assume that the industry character is going to dock up or teleport out asap and there won't be a fight... which is why there needs to be some reason for people to be out in pvp capable bots rather than just industry bots or artefact scanners.

Put your reading glasses on and try again Ville

@ Anni

Welcome to a sandbox?

If you want a reward for dieing in PvP my 13 year old cousin was in town last week and showed me his well-fare gear in WoW from partipating in PvP.

After not playing for 5 years i still have a better mounts with my 6 glad mounts which i got for "Winning" but then again i quit that game because they enabled well-fare gear and rewarded those for losing.

Lemon, what has sandbox to do with it? nothing. really, nothing. Also you did read my post again with a narrow mind. Where did i say that you should get items for losing?

Kaldenines:
Here is a little expample of my short beta experience -

Theres was mission on Karapyth outpost that asks you to kill a single sequer, and bring back a 60U Container. The Sequer is located a few km away from the Outpost in a pit next to the "landbridge" fake-highway.  Pretty easy - in theory.

I had to take my full-tuning-fit tyrannos to kill the sequer from out of range of the grophos and ictuses down there, walk back to the outpost, get my sequer to ninja-grab the loot container that lasted about 10 seconds longer then the travel time (without interruption) and bring it back. reward was 1.5-2M if i remember correctly.

Out of my CIR friends, only Orbs and i think Khal tried to help me once to accomplish that mission. Their PvP fit mechs havent been able to kill those NPC sequer in locations where i could reach them with a lwf-sequer - and i always had to fear that STC shows up and blocks my return to the outpost.

due to the relative short distance between mission location and outpost, there was not really much standing gain from it, and then the 4/10 mission change came...