Topic: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

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I must play with a Gropho ?

2 (edited by Hunter 2012-02-22 16:52:36)

Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Yes, my dear noob with "Energy management" = 7 and "Accumulator expansion" = 5. That's more simpe way for you. lol
as wariant shoot yourself.

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3 (edited by Annihilator 2012-02-22 17:37:21)

Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

wait? you want to be accu-stable with t4 long range weapon fitted heavy mech,

with all cycletime extensions MAXED - > but you got energy management only on lvl7, and accu expansion on lvl5?

and then you wonder about accumulator issues?

edit: Do you have a t4+ tuning in there? i just dont get that damage mod with my spreadsheet...

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Angelwing there is a post where we talked about that:

http://forums.perpetuum-online.com/topi … nsumption/

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18.01.2014. [12:57:58] <BeastmodeGuNs> after that i remembered all those warning about 1v1 you lol, and i found out why xD

Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Hunter wrote:

Yes, my dear noob with "Energy management" = 7 and "Accumulator expansion" = 5. That's more simpe way for you. lol
as wariant shoot yourself.

Hunter, even with both skills at 10, mesmers are no way near cap stable, so don't mislead.

Secondly, mesmers have a bonus for repping which if you fit a medium rep (if you want to take advantage of the bonus) takes even more accumulator/sec than 6x t4 em guns.

Mesmers are grossly underpowered for the bonus' they are designed to use. 

Take the time to spec into a Seth
-> it has a larger accumulator base
-> all 3 bot bonuses are useful
-> you get an extra head slot
-> you get bonuses on guns with a much longer range
-> all for the cost of 14% dps (which can be overcome, and then some, by using a tuner in the extra slot.)

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6 (edited by Annihilator 2012-02-23 00:39:38)

Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

his mesmer is capstable with both accumulator extensions lvl8

he has even leftover accumulator recharge if he brings energy management to 9 or 10.

That displayed Mesmer has 

  • 84 DPS per Gun with UDC, thats

  • ~400 Damage per gun per shot

  • ~250 vs. thelodica ---"---"---

  • 46,67 AP/s with 6 of them + 1 T4 Sensoramp

  • Peak recharge 43,64 AP/s with those crap accu extensions

  • Peak recharge 48,92 AP/s with both accu extension on lvl 8

A Seth Mk2, same fit, same extensions:

  • 67 DPS per Gun with Apoc

  • ~190 Damage per gun per shot

  • ~120 vs. pelistal ---"---"---

  • 74,07 AP/s with 6 HCL T4 + T4 Sensoramp

  • Peak recharge 66,97 AP/s with those crap accu extensions

  • Peak recharge 73,49 AP/s with both accu extensions on lvl8


so answer to

Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

is:
Because your crap accumulator extensions!

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7 (edited by Mongolia Jones 2012-02-23 03:47:33)

Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Annihilator wrote:

That displayed Mesmer has... [list...]

so answer to

Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

is:
Because your crap accumulator extensions!

That displayed Mesmer is a fail fit for both PvP and PvE.  I believe his point is that he needs 5x t4 accum rechargers just to run his guns stable, which was to point out the absurdity of the Mesmer accum recharge vs its accum needs.

In reality, for PvP, even running with a single accum recharge would be considered fail (I was in m2s, we always discouraged those fits).

So in essence, for "real world" fits (the kind that won't get you killed in under 10 seconds) the Mesmer is no where near cap stable.

The typical PvP Mesmer has a recharge between 16 and 21 accum/sec.  That's why pilots have complained that after 8 or 10 shots and a couple armor reps they have to pull back and recharge for a minute and a half.

Sadly, fitting a single t1 injector more than doubles the mesmer accum recharge despite having energy skills at 10/10.

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8 (edited by Hunter 2012-02-23 05:52:36)

Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Mongolia Jones wrote:
Hunter wrote:

Yes, my dear noob with "Energy management" = 7 and "Accumulator expansion" = 5. That's more simpe way for you. lol
as wariant shoot yourself.

Hunter, even with both skills at 10, mesmers are no way near cap stable, so don't mislead.

Secondly, mesmers have a bonus for repping which if you fit a medium rep (if you want to take advantage of the bonus) takes even more accumulator/sec than 6x t4 em guns.

Mesmers are grossly underpowered for the bonus' they are designed to use. 

Take the time to spec into a Seth
-> it has a larger accumulator base
-> all 3 bot bonuses are useful
-> you get an extra head slot
-> you get bonuses on guns with a much longer range
-> all for the cost of 14% dps (which can be overcome, and then some, by using a tuner in the extra slot.)

fyi:
with high turret cycle skill and with 5 tunings and with 6 T4 EM guns mesmer consumes 47,78 AP per second.
With 6 T4 Gaus guns mesmer consumes 33,19 AP per second. (hope there no mistake in my calculations)

With high accumulator skills and 5 accum recharges mesmer has 5362 AP and 192,6 sec recharge time. 5362/192,6*2=55,6 AP/sec...

But even if DeV's not going to remember their balanced system. And going to listen you... I'm anyway agree. Because i'm use mesmer too smile


So.. GIVE MOAAAAARRRR AC TO MEZZZZMERRZZZ!!!! fuuu

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

my accu skills are still bad too.. but i totaly agree here. mesmer needs more accumulator to run efficient in any way.

Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Remove Accu mechanics all along... it seems they prevent you from running ANYTHING efficiently or not overpowered.

oh, and nerf ERP...

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Annihilator wrote:

oh, and nerf ERP...

+1 It should work. ERP still overpowered.

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

HMechs shouldn't be cap-stable IMO. They're for BOOM-BOOM-BOOOOOOMO!!! and then breeeathe, relaaax, rechaaaarge...

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Take out 1 Weapon tuning and you are stable.

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Chris Blue wrote:

Take out 1 Weapon tuning and you are stable.

Srsly, are you stupid or are you trolling? He's not using this fit for anything, he made it to prove the point.

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

which point? that fail extension make it harder for you to overfit your heavy mech with tunings, if your not using a missile HM ?

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16 (edited by Dan 2012-03-04 17:37:03)

Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

point is unless you use crapy autocannons or you're gropho pilot you aren't able to solo farm (2 accounts isn't solo) with a decent(!) nic/h ratio. Ok, you can shoot and use sensor amp + hardeners if you are using gauss, but start repairing yourself and you are in deep ap trouble.

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Dan wrote:

point is unless you use crapy autocannons or you're gropho pilot you aren't able to solo farm (2 accounts isn't solo) with a decent(!) nic/h ratio. Ok, you can shoot and use sensor amp + hardeners if you are using gauss, but start repairing yourself and you are in deep ap trouble.

I think that you search word "different".

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

+1 on ERP Nerf, way to overpowered.

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Now we go back to the noob questions as why are we not kiteing when in this game has it become a routine to sit in a spawn and tank it solo? I've never truely tanked anything solo in this game(with out kiteing)... well except a few morte in my zenith but thats another story. If you want to tank a spawn solo try the mk2 artimis great resists and a erp will help but since were nerfing those again never mind.
+1 to more accu on heavys so I can solo tank 5th star mechs and heavy mechs in my seth that eats accu for breakfast with a full head of tunings and LCLs, while were at it can i get a god mode button that insta heals me and give me back the active ECCM effects.

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20 (edited by Cobalt 2012-03-05 15:59:39)

Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Yeah while your at it, if making mesmer accu stable, gimme twice or three time more dps with my gropho.... 

Do you guys realize if devs heard you on those nerf this boost that threads, every bot would be the same? You want accu stable?  Gropho is this way>>>    Now if you like more your over the top alpha strike, just stay with your bot and stfu


Dan wrote:

point is unless you use crapy autocannons or you're gropho pilot you aren't able to solo farm

False. False. FALSE.

I did it pretty well in a mesmer not mk2 and no max extensions.  Its called micromanagement, kiting...otherwise.. playing good?

Lets recap the wish of the OP:

-kill the fastest possible (mesmer dps) for max profit
-tank the spawn (so no kiting just easymode pve)
-do it neverendlessly (not a second wasted to regen while pveing)

Man do you realize you want everything?

21 (edited by Sundial 2012-03-05 18:50:25)

Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

Want to be stable? Use autocannons / machine guns, ERP tank.
Want to farm at 100% effeciency? Use remote energy transfer.
Want to farm with a head full of tuners and no remote energy? Conserve your AP and kite.

I think medium reps use too much accumulator but thats about the only problem I see here.

If you used a gropho even with a head full of tuners you would get much less DPS than mesmer running machine guns/autocannons and still not be stable running 1 medium rep.

You can't have it all.

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Re: Why am i not accumulator-stable with my Mesmer without Remote Energy ?

The difference between mesmer and gropho is, that the Mesmer can Repair itself with far higher efficiency.

With a small T4 Repair, the skilled Mesmer pilot can repair himself almost as fast as a gropho with a t2 medium, which is using 340% more AP per cycle.

and one thing noone has listed yet, but what i see on all my corpmates solo-farming mesmer: a t2 Medium Drain into that unused breast-slot.

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