End game is hugely lacking but the devs did once say that there should never really be an end game and it should always be increasing.

Perpetuum is about setting your own goals however the goals you can set are rather limited and usually about owning or gathering something. They need to add more trophy sparks to the Syndicate Store. For PvE players they could add achievements or little extra incentives to keep gathering or owning things.

There is a lot of focus on PvP end game but that isn't possible without constant and hard working PvE/Carebears fuelling the PvPers.

They're working on more end game features and are also looking into the possability of even better new player experiences but this is a sandbox. It's about making choices, communicating with other people and learning from them. It would be almost impossible to teach Perptuum mechanics through tutorials and no player interaction.

nice statement but i think that will make ppl leave and not stay...

i have to agree. if you need a hand that holds you and walk with you through the game then this is not your game. other players can teach you a lot and this game has a lot to offer if you want to bring your own effort in the game.
if you just want to take what the game throws at your feet, then games like wow or rift are a better choice for you. but its a sandbox if you like that, then you can have fun here. if you dont like that then you are wrong.

i am shure a lot of corps have intrest in new players. i think you will have no problem finding one that is willing to teach you and bring you into the game. depends on you, as it always depends on you in a sandbox. you are the player and not the game is playing for you.

@ the OP. Welcome to a sand box game, here you make the real content not the DEVs.
You are right the game still has much that it needs BUT.... You the player are still the driving force behind it all.

First off by the looks you never joined a corp? if so then thats your first massive OMG big mistake. the Sandbox rewards people playing in corps.
the sandbox imho delivers more meaning full PVP.

If you want to have epic PVE tho in a game like perpetuum then man this is so the wrong game for you. Go play SWTOR lol or other theme park games.

If you are the kind of person that wants a game that holds your hand thru out your gaming experience.... well i dont think i need to go on.

You want a goal?  Join a Corp!

True Pros make a Podcast to influence the Devs minds, 
The rest of you guys are Hacks

PS. I got my Highways & stopped playing b4 they came in & have never used them! ...... Irony much ?

Good points VIc. but, as a side note, how long of those 6 years did you play Eve without supercarriers and Titans?

I came over from Wow, and if you wanted to raid end-game, you had to join a guild. I hear (I left before firelands came out) it's easier now to PUG raids with the raid finder tool, but the cutting edge end-game raids are still only down within guilds.

Games like WoW and even Eve, the end-game content isn't solo content. Even the 5-mans require you to group up, although you don't have to guild up to enjoy them.

I intentionally played solo for 6 months here in Perp, after leaving my first corp and before I founded PIE.

You can do it, but it's very hard to stay motivated, because the game just doesn't give you direction.

Players are suggesting corps, because they do specifically have agendas, which the game doesn't.

Don't take this as a sales pitch   As much as Perp 'looks' like Eve, its not Eve. I don't feel that the devs are looking to provide players with more things to do in the future either. The plan is to provide more tools and items to work with, but it will almost certainly come down to players to figure out what to do with them.

tl;dr - To paraphrase a Perp dev 'we want our game to generate it's own drama'.

thanks for checking Perp out VIc, and please do stop back in a few months, the game is always being updated; even if it is slower than we want!

Well, given a month or two you might have player built structures.

"I played eve for over 6 years and only left when CCP fail to understand their own game.  What drove me to continue playing eve was the mystery and large projects such as TITAN or Supercarrier build. Owning 0.0 space with moon mining. SOv etc etc."

Well if you want to work on building a Gropho Mk2 see how that takes you for a large project. The mysteries are all round the corner (they are currently experimenting with player built structures, bombs, walls, proximity probes etc etc) and I can't imagine owning 0.0 and moon mining to be that different to owning some beta islands and epi mining.

For 'solo' goals you are pretty limited, as either you have to do something badly due to a lack of EP to dedicate to it or you are doing something solo (taking on a commando beacon) which other people would do much more easily in a group (or at least solo with support bots), so to find a solo-endgame you are really looking at the mid-game for group activities, doing tough assignments, clearing roaming spawns, taking down an observer etc.

Finally joining a corp does not mean you become a slave to their demands, many corps are very flexible about what you can do, and only specify some 'rules' if you are working together to do something. These common goals are a lot more motivating (and bigger in scale) than anything you can attempt solo so I would definetly give corp life a try before deciding on if you like the 'end game'.

I agree with author. This game not for ***...

This is interesting, what sort of long term goals should a player generated content game, that isn't a game, provide?

Industrial players, wishing to finish the research tree, is certainly a long-term goal.
NPC farming players wanting to fit out a full T4+ MK II bot is also a very long-term goal.

If your asking, "Yeah, but what do they do after that?" as being long term, then you have to move out of the realm of individual acheivements and into group achievements.

As I posted above, there are always limits on how long-term any personal achievements can be, as provided by the 'game'. Many many games offer repeatablity as players develop their own goals, like speed-runs, and this trend has been integrated into many other games as acheivements.

If there were 1000 personal acheivements added to Perp tomorrow, would that qualify as long-term goal?

In many senses, acheivements actually limit the creativity of players to generate their own goals, and place an artificial cap on what is 'achievable'.

Here's some long-term goal for anyone interseted.

"Start a corporation that can build and defend a gamma outpost".
"Have a fully T4-Fit Heavy MK II from each faction, and be able to pilot all of them"
"Get a Kill on every PVP player on the server."
"Buy out every non-seeded order on the market"

Feel free to add more!

Can you tell us an example what you would like to see as a long-term goal?

OMG your goal list sucks is fine as an opinion, but Like Zoom says, and I say at the end, feel free to add what YOU think should be long term goal; so I can flame them.

edit: And, just in case your wondering if players have any imagination, and to what lengths some people will go to set their own goals in a video game:

http://www.ingame.msnbc.msn.com/technol … rns-536384