Topic: I guess I'm an attention ***

I thought this was funny. You'll surely think it's extremely boring and uninteresting, but I'm posting it anyway, hence the title. Don't have too much fun reading this!

Ingame Help channel wrote:

[15:50:34] <Mojo Derpus> now iam confused maybe iam doing something wrong
[15:51:16] <Mojo Derpus> or if there is some kind of exploit
[15:51:33] <Drahkar> What's the question?
[15:51:38] <Drahkar> (just logged in)
[15:52:05] <Mojo Derpus> how to get incredible locking times of 2-3 seconds and less with anything else than an gropho
[15:52:33] <Drahkar> What's your accelerated locking, sensor connection and robotics, do you have 1 or 2 amps and what tier are they?
[15:52:45] <Drahkar> Also if you saw the bot the other person was in, that would be extremely relevant
[15:52:52] <Mojo Derpus> 2 t4 amps locking skills on 5 advanced on 8
[15:53:01] <Drahkar> Locking skills on 5, there you go
[15:53:25] <Mojo Derpus> yeah but i calculated that the benefit from the locking skills is less than the 40% i get from advanced
[15:54:13] <Drahkar> Mind telling me how you calculated that? Also what bot was competing with your Gropho?
[15:54:21] <Mojo Derpus> a mesmer
[15:55:17] <Drahkar> I still think the answer is your very low locking skills
[15:55:28] <Drahkar> You have sensor connection 5?
[15:56:01] <Mojo Derpus> bonus missing from accelerated target locking 20% bonus missing from sensor connection 10% bonus i get from advanced robotics 40%
[15:56:05] <Mojo Derpus> 30% < 40%
[15:56:18] <Drahkar> Also keep in mind the landmarks window sometimes takes a fraction of a second to display an NPC that can already by locked by clicking it on the terrain
[15:56:45] <Drahkar> Your own reflexes and your latency might be playing a bigger role than you think
[15:57:36] <Drahkar> Both amps are affected by connection so you can double that 10% but that's not how it's actually calculated I think
[15:57:39] <Mojo Derpus>  i think it has something to do with the calculation  and if iam right interferrence would do nothing on ppl with high sensor connection and accelerated target locking
[15:57:44] <Drahkar> Also if you have accel locking 5, you're missing 25%
[15:57:55] <Mojo Derpus> as the locking time from that would always substract 90% from the time
[15:58:21] <Drahkar> Interference shouldn't be a problem
[15:58:28] <Mojo Derpus> nah thats just a side note
[15:58:33] <Drahkar> I doubt you'll go above the minimum tresh hold while farming
[15:58:48] <Drahkar> But seriously, accelrated locking 5 is insane
[15:59:04] <Mojo Derpus> insane low ?
[15:59:08] <Drahkar> It's a rank 2 skill, get that to 8+ ASAP
[15:59:27] <Drahkar> Unless you never PvP, but then if you have problems tagging mobs you should still get it higher
[15:59:46] <Drahkar> It's extremely useful and cheap EP wise smile
[16:00:15] <Mojo Derpus> yeah from what i can tell it is the first bonus that gets substracted from your locking time
[16:00:19] <Drahkar> I have it at 10 but I assume you haven't been here since release, still get it to 7 or 8 ASAP and finish it later
[16:00:57] <Mojo Derpus> so its the most effective in terms of reducing your locking time while i assume that the bonus from advanced robotics gets substracted last
[16:01:24] <Mojo Derpus> wich makes it the least effective
[16:03:18] <Drahkar> I never bothered finding out how locking time is calculated so I can't help there
[16:04:47] <Mojo Derpus> being interested in meta gaming will help you to stay on the top
[16:05:25] <Mojo Derpus> half of all exploits bugs and cheats ever found are found this way
[16:05:39] <Drahkar> I don't see your point
[16:05:56] <Drahkar> I don't even see how calculating locking time is meta gaming, it sounds like regular gaming to me
[16:06:10] <Drahkar> I also don't see the point of looking for exploits
[16:06:21] <Mojo Derpus> reporting them of course
[16:06:38] <Mojo Derpus> iam not m2s or CIR
[16:06:39] <Drahkar> Sounds like more trouble than not finding them in the first place
[16:07:05] <Drahkar> I know, your corp tag is displayed in the channel's members list so that much was obvious
[16:07:08] <Drahkar> I have brown eyes
[16:07:21] <Drahkar> Which is similarly irrelevant
[16:07:58] <Mojo Derpus> well then i explain again you asked why it would be relevenat to find exploits
[16:08:15] <Mojo Derpus> i said i would report them and that his highly unlikely if iam an abusive player
[16:08:24] <Drahkar> Yes but I don't see how that related to your corp tag
[16:08:32] <Drahkar> I didn't see you mention any abusive players
[16:08:40] <Mojo Derpus> i mentioned CIR and m2s
[16:08:57] <Drahkar> Those aren't players, I didn't think you were that new
[16:09:18] <Mojo Derpus> i think 90% of the other players in that channel got hte refference
[16:09:19] <Drahkar> In this case nevermind training accelerated locking, you could instead use a Waspish until you're actually ready for a Gropho
[16:10:13] <Mojo Derpus> if you dont want that image you shouldnt be in m2s
[16:10:51] <Drahkar> I don't mind the image but can still disagree with it
[16:12:31] <Drahkar> You're welcome for the help smile

He went silent, I hope he's not too frustrated. fuuu

AXE JOKE ECORP N-A CIR

Re: I guess I'm an attention ***

lol

now i have to log in and check my locking times, and later calculate the lowest possible locktime for bot with bonus and without...

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3 (edited by Drahkar 2011-12-16 18:18:59)

Re: I guess I'm an attention ***

Annihilator wrote:

lol

now i have to log in and check my locking times, and later calculate the lowest possible locktime for bot with bonus and without...

Make sure you don't ask for Mr Derp's input on locking times...

Ingame Help channel wrote:

[17:44:21] <Drahkar> btw Mojo, the order in which you calculate your locking time bonuses doesn't matter as far as I know since they're all factors
[17:45:05] <Drahkar> At least for the extension and the amps, but I would imagine the bot bonus works the same way
[17:55:50] <Mojo Derpus> you dont understand % calculation much ^^
[17:56:11] <Drahkar> Great argument
[17:56:24] <Mojo Derpus> i can explain it to you if you like
[17:56:53] <Drahkar> 12.5 x (1+0.5) / 0.73 = (12.5 / 0.73) * (1+0.5)
[17:57:09] <Mojo Derpus> yeah thats in the case of one factor
[17:57:38] <Mojo Derpus> but if you have a therm of 3 consecutive multiplications by the same factor the last factor will have the least influence
[17:58:17] <Mojo Derpus> 1*0,5*0,5*0,5 while it is true that each will half the result
[17:58:31] <Mojo Derpus> the last will only substract 1/4 and the first 1/2
[17:58:39] <Drahkar> rofl
[17:58:47] <Drahkar> Nice name
[17:59:28] <Mojo Derpus> the place of the factors within the formular is important
[18:00:27] <Mojo Derpus> the more factors the more important is the first factor in comparrision to the last factor

btw I thought you had a spreadsheet with that stuff Anni. In case you don't, Warux from ATG tells me the robotics bonus is added with the extension bonus. Haven't looked into that further myself.

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Re: I guess I'm an attention ***

Living true to the motto Herp Derp?

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Re: I guess I'm an attention ***

maybe Derp was converting the associative property of multiplication to hungarian maths

Re: I guess I'm an attention ***

i dont care to correct those formulas up there (i know they are wrong)
forum search FTW wink

but:
any bot without locktimebonus can get this with maxed locking extensions:

  • 8.33s base

  • 4.86s with 1*T4 sensor amp or RSA

  • 2.84s with 2*T4 sensor amp or RSA

  • 2.38s with 2*T4 sensor amp or RSA + T4 fastlock nexus buff

  • 2.45s with 2*T4p sensor amp

  • 2.06s with 2*T4p sensor amp + T4 fastlock nexus buff

a bot with locktime bonus (castel, tyrannos, gropho)

  • 6.25s base locktime

  • 3.65s with 1*T4 sensor amp or RSA

  • 2.13s with 2*T4 sensor amp or RSA

  • 1.79s with 2*T4 sensor amp or RSA + T4 fastlock nexus buff

  • 1.83s with 2*T4p sensor amp

  • 1.54s with 2*T4p sensor amp + T4 fastlock nexus buff

*Disclaimer: Nexus effect is untested

*Disclaimer: This post can contain strong sarcasm or cynical remarks. keep that in mind!
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Re: I guess I'm an attention ***

Derp wrote:

[17:57:38] <Mojo Derpus> but if you have a therm of 3 consecutive multiplications by the same factor the last factor will have the least influence
[17:58:17] <Mojo Derpus> 1 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 while it is true that each will half the result
[17:58:31] <Mojo Derpus> the last will only substract 1/4 and the first 1/2

I love this, statements that may perhaps be factually correct but are completely meaningless. I particularly love that the 'last' factor gets 'better' (i.e. substracts more[sic]) the 'worse' the other factors get.

If you didn't spend any points in whatever the second factor was, you get 1 * 1 * 0.5, now the last factor is actually 'substracting' twice as much! Amazing. I think we might have found the solution to Hungarian simultaneous equations..