[17:44:21] <Drahkar> btw Mojo, the order in which you calculate your locking time bonuses doesn't matter as far as I know since they're all factors
[17:45:05] <Drahkar> At least for the extension and the amps, but I would imagine the bot bonus works the same way
[17:55:50] <Mojo Derpus> you dont understand % calculation much ^^
[17:56:11] <Drahkar> Great argument
[17:56:24] <Mojo Derpus> i can explain it to you if you like
[17:56:53] <Drahkar> 12.5 x (1+0.5) / 0.73 = (12.5 / 0.73) * (1+0.5)
[17:57:09] <Mojo Derpus> yeah thats in the case of one factor
[17:57:38] <Mojo Derpus> but if you have a therm of 3 consecutive multiplications by the same factor the last factor will have the least influence
[17:58:17] <Mojo Derpus> 1*0,5*0,5*0,5 while it is true that each will half the result
[17:58:31] <Mojo Derpus> the last will only substract 1/4 and the first 1/2
[17:58:39] <Drahkar> rofl
[17:58:47] <Drahkar> Nice name
[17:59:28] <Mojo Derpus> the place of the factors within the formular is important
[18:00:27] <Mojo Derpus> the more factors the more important is the first factor in comparrision to the last factor

[15:50:34] <Mojo Derpus> now iam confused maybe iam doing something wrong
[15:51:16] <Mojo Derpus> or if there is some kind of exploit
[15:51:33] <Drahkar> What's the question?
[15:51:38] <Drahkar> (just logged in)
[15:52:05] <Mojo Derpus> how to get incredible locking times of 2-3 seconds and less with anything else than an gropho
[15:52:33] <Drahkar> What's your accelerated locking, sensor connection and robotics, do you have 1 or 2 amps and what tier are they?
[15:52:45] <Drahkar> Also if you saw the bot the other person was in, that would be extremely relevant
[15:52:52] <Mojo Derpus> 2 t4 amps locking skills on 5 advanced on 8
[15:53:01] <Drahkar> Locking skills on 5, there you go
[15:53:25] <Mojo Derpus> yeah but i calculated that the benefit from the locking skills is less than the 40% i get from advanced
[15:54:13] <Drahkar> Mind telling me how you calculated that? Also what bot was competing with your Gropho?
[15:54:21] <Mojo Derpus> a mesmer
[15:55:17] <Drahkar> I still think the answer is your very low locking skills
[15:55:28] <Drahkar> You have sensor connection 5?
[15:56:01] <Mojo Derpus> bonus missing from accelerated target locking 20% bonus missing from sensor connection 10% bonus i get from advanced robotics 40%
[15:56:05] <Mojo Derpus> 30% < 40%
[15:56:18] <Drahkar> Also keep in mind the landmarks window sometimes takes a fraction of a second to display an NPC that can already by locked by clicking it on the terrain
[15:56:45] <Drahkar> Your own reflexes and your latency might be playing a bigger role than you think
[15:57:36] <Drahkar> Both amps are affected by connection so you can double that 10% but that's not how it's actually calculated I think
[15:57:39] <Mojo Derpus>  i think it has something to do with the calculation  and if iam right interferrence would do nothing on ppl with high sensor connection and accelerated target locking
[15:57:44] <Drahkar> Also if you have accel locking 5, you're missing 25%
[15:57:55] <Mojo Derpus> as the locking time from that would always substract 90% from the time
[15:58:21] <Drahkar> Interference shouldn't be a problem
[15:58:28] <Mojo Derpus> nah thats just a side note
[15:58:33] <Drahkar> I doubt you'll go above the minimum tresh hold while farming
[15:58:48] <Drahkar> But seriously, accelrated locking 5 is insane
[15:59:04] <Mojo Derpus> insane low ?
[15:59:08] <Drahkar> It's a rank 2 skill, get that to 8+ ASAP
[15:59:27] <Drahkar> Unless you never PvP, but then if you have problems tagging mobs you should still get it higher
[15:59:46] <Drahkar> It's extremely useful and cheap EP wise
[16:00:15] <Mojo Derpus> yeah from what i can tell it is the first bonus that gets substracted from your locking time
[16:00:19] <Drahkar> I have it at 10 but I assume you haven't been here since release, still get it to 7 or 8 ASAP and finish it later
[16:00:57] <Mojo Derpus> so its the most effective in terms of reducing your locking time while i assume that the bonus from advanced robotics gets substracted last
[16:01:24] <Mojo Derpus> wich makes it the least effective
[16:03:18] <Drahkar> I never bothered finding out how locking time is calculated so I can't help there
[16:04:47] <Mojo Derpus> being interested in meta gaming will help you to stay on the top
[16:05:25] <Mojo Derpus> half of all exploits bugs and cheats ever found are found this way
[16:05:39] <Drahkar> I don't see your point
[16:05:56] <Drahkar> I don't even see how calculating locking time is meta gaming, it sounds like regular gaming to me
[16:06:10] <Drahkar> I also don't see the point of looking for exploits
[16:06:21] <Mojo Derpus> reporting them of course
[16:06:38] <Mojo Derpus> iam not m2s or CIR
[16:06:39] <Drahkar> Sounds like more trouble than not finding them in the first place
[16:07:05] <Drahkar> I know, your corp tag is displayed in the channel's members list so that much was obvious
[16:07:08] <Drahkar> I have brown eyes
[16:07:21] <Drahkar> Which is similarly irrelevant
[16:07:58] <Mojo Derpus> well then i explain again you asked why it would be relevenat to find exploits
[16:08:15] <Mojo Derpus> i said i would report them and that his highly unlikely if iam an abusive player
[16:08:24] <Drahkar> Yes but I don't see how that related to your corp tag
[16:08:32] <Drahkar> I didn't see you mention any abusive players
[16:08:40] <Mojo Derpus> i mentioned CIR and m2s
[16:08:57] <Drahkar> Those aren't players, I didn't think you were that new
[16:09:18] <Mojo Derpus> i think 90% of the other players in that channel got hte refference
[16:09:19] <Drahkar> In this case nevermind training accelerated locking, you could instead use a Waspish until you're actually ready for a Gropho
[16:10:13] <Mojo Derpus> if you dont want that image you shouldnt be in m2s
[16:10:51] <Drahkar> I don't mind the image but can still disagree with it
[16:12:31] <Drahkar> You're welcome for the help