I suppose you can look at the same statement two ways.

Combat players get no benefit from grinding.

On one side, they don't need to grind rep because it does nothing for them. On the other side, Indy players have a bonus associated with grinding, but combat players don't.

The trouble is, that if that bonus exists, then you have to atleast try to achieve it or you be at a disadvantage. This would be more apparent if the rep grind did effect combat. Meaning if you could buy something like better ammo depending on your reputation, then all combat players would have to grind the rep or be at a disadvantage.

The same is true for the indy player, it's not really optional, because you are competing with others that have access to the same bonus.

If combat/pvp players want to talk about how the indy grind isn't a big deal, then lets add in a combat bonus based on reputaion so you can join in.

In fact, for balance that's what should happen. Either remove the indy bonus or add a combat bonus. The Indy player ALREADY has to do the kernel grind, do we really have to have 2 grinds to Combat's 0?

tl;dr - Either make reputation important for all aspects of the game, or remove it until the system is fully fleshed out.

er no! in fact.

Every 10% 'relation ration' you have only adds 1% to your material ratio.

so even if you grind up to 40%.. it only adds 4%.

Now, 4% is a nice little addition to your efficiency..  but 'much better' it is not.

really depends on how big the population is, and the distances between your production facility and the demanding market (which is almost zero in current gameworld).

stilll missinge a redistribution of comodities and ores in equipment, so you can't build equipped heavy pelistal mechs ons eg. hokkogaros, without trading components with someone who is on eg. Alsbale.

Zeniths are no. 1 ewar mech - imagine you would need an ore or commoditiy that only tier3 thelodica facilities could create? Even those beta-corps would need to ninja mine/refine/build on their opponents island...

why i'm posting this here? its also (or better it should be) impossible to have high standings with all three conglomerates to get best refining/production, etc. wherever you go.

If you then stack this with the refining bonus at http://atg.bplaced.net/p/c/refinery/, it comes out to a real advantage. Actually I'm reasonably fine with the bonus to ME, but the bonus to refining is far too high. According to this refining calculator, which I have heard is very accurate, an agent with 100% relation ratio needs 25% less materials than someone with 0% relation ratio. This is very significant.

Very hard is an accurate assesment.

Also the change to the mission reward will make it harder because you don't get to keep usable ore/material that you mined, which is good in my opinion. Didn't make sense to be contracted to mine something for a reward and get to keep what you mined plus the reward.

Those who do put in the effort should be adequately rewarded with the bonuses.

Don't touch my PvP with your PvE stuff please. I have no interest in having to grind for months in order to be pvp-equipped. The Loyalty Point store worked in EVE because you could sell the items on the market. It wasn't exclusive to someone who missioned until their brain melted away.

Don't screw with the pvp balance please. It doesn't need any more 'must be this tall to ride' requirements as it is. Forcing a new player to grind for 3 months in alpha before being able to pvp? Pass.

Not to mention that 1/2 of the Rep grind is on beta, so not only forcing us to grind but to do PVP too.

I think they're are finally starting to understand Lucius.

I find work fascinating...

I can sit and watch someone else do it for hours.

So, rather than searching for some other system for PvE and manufacturing, you wish to shove a system you deem broken/a grind onto more players?

I believe they're just making a point here, Loco.

As a Early Access player, I'll tell you, my production character is the only one that's ever needed to grind missions to be successful in this game. Didn't need relations on my combat or my miner toons. My miner is most likely in the top 10 for efficency with a single bot (yes, you 7 account multi-boxing termis/riveler pilots can mine way more then me...) and my combat toon is pretty descent at what he does

But I do kind of agree, it seems a bit out of balance requiring relation ratio to be competitive in only one (or two I guess, im not really sure if relations affect taxes or the market much) aspects of the game. There should either be no bonus across the board, or let there be a reason for a bonus for miners and combat characters.