That isn't a reason to PvP, it's an opportunity. A reason to PvP would be for economical, tactical or strategic gain to name but a few. You could argue that what the Lithus drops would be economical gain however from your post I deduced that you were referencing the general feeling that we need POS/Territory Control/Terra forming as reasons to PvP. This Lithus example isn't something that we don't already have a reasonable amount of.

We all have our idea or way we see things around us. Ronald Reagan is one person who saw the world very differnetly then most in the 80s.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EEPlIzNkhoA/S … Reagan.jpg

The changes coming, are they good or are they bad? Do we really know if the changes will work or not?

The DEVs pick through tons of posts in many topics. They read the feedback and try to make adjustments based on player feed back.

Does it mean they will get it right the first time, second time? No, maybe, Yes, Sometimes.

But when I look at that comic of Ronald Reagan's world. I think about how various commodities in the real world are everywhere, but specific areas have a larger consentration of some commodities.

Oil is a good example. Diamonds are another good example. Same with Gold, Silver, Copper, Salt. The list can go on for a bit.

If we look at the factions in game. At their very basic level, example would be ammo.

They all have a specific commodity needed.

Slugs: Statichnol / Imentium
Lasors: Metachropin / Stremonit
Missiles: Isopropentol / HDT

So, I would think that their ores would be found in larger consentrations on their faction islands since they based their ammo on the ore around them.

So I would think the following.

Imentium: Can be found in large consentration on Nuimqol islands.
Metachropin: Can be found in large consentration on Thelodica islands.
HDT: Can be found in large consentration on Pelistal Islands.

This type of system makes trade, economies, and conflict.

Even Ronald Reagan knew where all the commodities were coming from and who had the largest concentrations of the commodities he wanted.

Titan ore is the very basic building block of the world and should be found everywhere.

But with the change coming. I guess something has happened to the titan ore growth on the outer islands.

I just hope the growth of titan ore on the inner islands can produce more than USA's oil reserves can produce barrels of oil.

Ah thanks. I didn't noticed that change.

Something that occured to me as i was listening to episode 4 was the assumption that beta corps would just roll onto alpha and be allowed to mine titan uncontested.

There is a difference between running over to alpha a couple times a week to mine titan, and being based on alpha mining it daily. Alpha mining corporations are sitting in Rivelers too, and its fully probable that titan spot will already by empty on 'titan day', and the alternate spot already has 5 or 6 alpha Rivlers on it.

Just because a corp is on alpha doesn't mean they are just going to 'let' beta corps pilage their mining spots. While there wouldn't be any direct combat, finding another Riveler locking and mining the same tiles your on will make 'titan day' much less productive.

There is also the solo miner that doesn't need to wait for the field to fully respawn, and is willing to mine green tiles, meaning the fields will never regen to the point where it would make sense to send in 20 Rivelers.

Edit: This scenerio of course is only valid if titan isn't abundant enough to supply everyone, beta isn't necessarily going to just get what they need and starve the alpha miners just because they are from beta.

- some time ago, the size of ore got halfed -> less transport grinding
- next is that the ammount of ore per cycle is increased -> a bit less grinding to get materials
- also the regrowth of the deposits is lowered -> less static mining

increasing the mats for manufacturing would be the exact opposite direction developement away from extreme grinding for low reward.

Doubling the yeild on tiles is going to increase the amount of ore mined which in turn will reduce the cost of production. Reduce production costs should increase production, which will increase demand for ore, and result in greater volumes of ore being purchased.

In another way, builders spend 1 m nic on titanium. They will continue to spend the same 1M NIC, but will increase production by 50% resulting in greater profit. For small corps the cost of PVP'ing just went down.

Miners with no bonuses will get 1.5M titan ore in the same time it took to get 1 M titan ore. Miners with say a 100% mining bonus will get 3M titan ore in the same time it took to get 2M; dedicated miners will see more of an increase per cycle then alt miners.

Miners will now be selling 3M ore on the market instead of 2M, which is why the price will drop. If the original ore price was .5 NIC @ 2 M the miner would get 1 M NIC. If the price drops to .4 NIC @ 3 M the result is 1.2 M NIC -tax, which is more profit. As long as the price doesn't drop below .34 NIC, the miner's profit will be greater than or equal to their current profit.

Actual market prices may differ, but the idea is the same, that prices will drop but miners will still gain profit as long as it doesn't fall below a threshold, which since its a free market, they can choose not to sell below, just like it is now.

Edit: Corrected 50% increase in all resources, not just titan ore

The 50% increase affects all ores and I quote from blog " we'll increase the mining yield of one cycle for every raw material by 50%"

Excellent catch.

50% more material of all types makes everything cheaper to produce, cheaper to replace, less grinding time for self-supporting PVP players.

Am I missing a piece of the big picture somewhere?

Here's what I see.

-Land mass is doubling, resulting in 6 more Islands full of ore fields.
-Miner player base isn't growing
-Ore is regenerting slower

More fields, same amount of miners, slower regen.

where is the jump to miners being able to deplete ore now?

Maybe you missed zoom's post where he says that the volume of titan not regenerating on beta will be moved to alpha, so the overall amount of titan ore on alpha will increase. That should mean lots more titan fields, or hopefully Red fields of titan.

The way they wrote the post it appears that regen is cut in half.  There is a lot of titan on beta so if they move all of it over that will be tons.  Will the player base increase?  The active player base will in the *short term* definitely increase.  There are probably 3x or 4x as many active un-played accounts as there are players, maybe more.

I think we'll also see a huge increase of ore on the market and the prices will drop through the floor *short term*.  Once it's gone the regen nerf comes in and people start having to hunt and peck.  I don't think this will affect beta corps at all.  I've already seen more rivelers on alpha than I've ever seen, it seems like people are working on depleting the easy spawns first.

It's true that we don't have all the patch data, but as it relates to mining, we have a fair amount.

I almost fell into the trap that Snow is talking about, and I was probably confusing people even more when I talked about total ore being doubled, but I was talking about adding in 6 more islands which doubles the total ore in the game world.

Yep, ore near outposts is going to be mined first, and will take longer to regen, but hey look over there, 6 more islands full of new outposts to mine close too. Maybe less plentiful resources are a reason to control another outpost.. just throwing it out there. Or there are 3 more alpha islands that beta miners can go to, and not even effect the existing mining alpha-1.

Titan ore is not meant to be scarce, I wouldn't worry about running out.

Ore prices are speculation, miners may choose not to sell cheaper, that's always an option. Ore prices will not rise because ore is going to be scarcer. If NIC miners choose not to lower prices, then players can just go mine it themselves. The market will find a balance, it it will be lower than it is now.

This is a long thread, as well as yours, which part is the nerf exactly?