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Re: Speed Gap between EWAR lights and other light Bots >37.5%. Unbalanced

Krupp wrote:

Light ewar need the extra base speed to compensate for the weight of ewar modules. If you would just give them a weight reducing bonus for ewar modules, the base speed can be reduced to prevent the excessive speed imbalance.

Example:
A t1 fitted intakt with 2 suppressors and nav 10 goes 88 kph.
If you give them a 66% weight reduction bonus on ewar mods, you can reduce the base speed to 66 kph and still make it go 88 kph fitted with ewar mods.

Good point Krupp.
The origin of the high speed gap could well be because the DEV gave Intakts and Cameleons high base speed to compensate for EWAR mod heaviness.
But DEV did not consider that people would skip fitting EWAR mods which the bot is supposed to have, but instead just go for a pure speed fit with guns and nothing else, resulting in imbalanced 110kph+ OP fits.

Sure, reduce EWAR mods weight but definitely cut base speed.
The issue is NOT 88kph EWAR loaded EWAR lights.
The issue is 110kph guns-only plus t4 LWF EWARs.

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Re: Speed Gap between EWAR lights and other light Bots >37.5%. Unbalanced

+ superiour speed
+ superiour locking range
+ superiour headslots count (demob, tuning, supressor, sensor amp, range extender)
+ superiour weapon range (small laser)
+ bonus to the overall most efficient ewar: supressing
+ resist bonus

- hitpoints

thats the intak for you now.

yes krupp - your right - the supressor and ECM mass makes it necessary for those to be fast. on the other side, that high ewar mass was introduced to counter the omnipotence mechs in early beta.
Actually, Alf could reduce the mass of them back to what it was, because since then, ewar modules got nerfed a good bit on their effectivity (EW-Strength on supressors, ultra-high AP costs of ECM).

also, the mass of lasers is out of the balancing - longest range, but least mass. Before siddy comes with his "that would make laser bots even slower" - alf can still increase the base speed of laser bots (after all, they are the ones with the slowest base speed)

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Re: Speed Gap between EWAR lights and other light Bots >37.5%. Unbalanced

I think Krupp didnt mean to reduce the weight of EW modules - but give EW bots a bonus to reduce EW modules weight on EW only.

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Re: Speed Gap between EWAR lights and other light Bots >37.5%. Unbalanced

Annihilator wrote:

+ superiour speed
+ superiour locking range
+ superiour headslots count (demob, tuning, supressor, sensor amp, range extender Have you EVER fitted range extenders in your life on EWAR? )
+ superiour weapon range (small laser) HURP DERP, waspish can out range lasers, and baphomaet has IDENTICAL range and 3 1/2 more DPS
+ bonus to the overall most efficient ewar: supressing LOL WHAT?
+ resist bonus

- hitpoints
- crapola DPS
- miniscule capacitor
- need intense player skills before you can actually use most of the benefits above


thats the intak for you now.

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Re: Speed Gap between EWAR lights and other light Bots >37.5%. Unbalanced

Lower the weight of ECM's. They're now more favored than suppressors for sure. In a fight larger than 10 vs 10 suppressors no longer have a place.

ECM = Vistory.
Supressor = ECM support.

I don't know when you last played with ewar but no one uses them for ewar modules anymore. That's what mechs are for and those COULD fit range extenders but even then it's not needed. Fully ECM stable vagabond is a nightmare. Just not in the hands of an idiot.

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Re: Speed Gap between EWAR lights and other light Bots >37.5%. Unbalanced

I don't know when you last played with ewar but no one uses them for ewar modules anymore.

thank you for pointing that out again wink

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Re: Speed Gap between EWAR lights and other light Bots >37.5%. Unbalanced

Just remove all but 1 weapon slot for ewars and let them stay at their current speed.  They are tackle bots, not assault bots.